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From: jdz@WUCEC2.UUCP (Jason D. Zions)
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Subject: Re: Vaxstation II keyboard
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Date: Wed, 5-Mar-86 12:52:57 EST
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In article <12186413100.24.JBS@DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU>
	info-vax@ucbvax.UUCP writes:
>Wake up and smell the coffee (sorry for the cliche).

>1) The ESC key is dead.  It is an unmanagable concept.  If you
>   don't know why, I'll be glad to explain it.

Whoa, there. I'd love to hear your explanation. <ESC> is part of the ASCII
character set; it was provided to allow one to <ESC>ape from some normal in-
terpretation of a character or characters. Sounds like what EMACS and other
programs use it for; vi uses it to <ESC>ape from insert mode, etc. It should
damn well be generatable from the keyboard; considering its prevalence in the
real world, DEC should be more sensitive to it. TECO is unuseable without it.

>2) C-S, C-Q are too commonly used in the communcations protocol
>   to be useful in applications.  I hurts me to say this, since
>   I'm generally an EMACS fan too.

I have to agree with your here; <DC1> and <DC3> are reserved for device con-
trol, and you  can't blame people for building hardware that expects it to be
used in any other way. Of course, one should be able to escape its meaning,
prhaps with <ESC> and perhaps with <DLE>.

>Jeff Siegal

This is probably not the appropraite place to continue this discussion; that
is probably net.info-terms. Please direct all followup there.
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Nope, I didn't say nothing. Just random noise.