Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!ucbvax!works From: meyer@WWIII.UUCP (Mike Meyer) Newsgroups: mod.computers.workstations Subject: Re: Low, Medium power Unix machine Message-ID: <8603052141.AA02506@wwiii.tcville.uucp> Date: Wed, 5-Mar-86 16:41:21 EST Article-I.D.: wwiii.8603052141.AA02506 Posted: Wed Mar 5 16:41:21 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 9-Mar-86 05:14:36 EST References: <8603022205.AA04303@bu-cs.ARPA> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: ISPL, Hughes AC, El Segundo, CA Lines: 54 Approved: works@red.rutgers.edu In article <8603022205.AA04303@bu-cs.ARPA> you write: >Could/Would you send me some opinions on the UNIX PC. I am about >ready to get a machine, but have not yet decided if I want to get a >UNIX machine or a MS-DOS(PC-DOS) machine. > I've owned a PC7300 since last May, and I recommend the machine quite heartily. At the time, the only thing that came close to it in price/ performance was the IBM AT. I found, however, that the 7300 was more cost-effective by the time you bought an AT with a 20MB hard disk, a modem, and software. For 500 dollars, you can get the UNIX Utilities, which includes a c compiler, two debuggers, editors, nroff, lex, yacc, awk, the Korn shell, and lots of other stuff. My particular machine has 1MB RAM and a 20MB hard disk (essential - UNIX and the Utilities take up 7 or 8 MB). I paid list at the time (about 6K, plus printer, tax, and the Utilities), but I've seen the prices go down in the LA area such that you can get a comparable machine for about 4400 dollars now. The machine has a lot of good points. It is very fast on data crunching, the built-in modem is nicely integrated with the system software (a very slick communications package), it has an excellant monitor, and it has the best keyboard I've found. I'd recommend stuffing it with 2 megs of memory - it swaps a lot with one, and I've heard that 1.5 megs and up makes a big difference in speed. There are a lot of third party things available for it now,too, like big hard disks. Third party software is picking up. As far as the UNIX/MS-DOS quandry, it really depends on your intended use. I bought the machine to learn more about system programming and to program in C (lots of other languages are available, too). I consider UNIX to be more of a REAL operating system, and I think the programming environment is superior to anything I've seen for MS-DOS machines. I wasn't impressed with Xenix. However, if you don't expect to program much and you want a machine to do fairly standard applications, like word processing, databases, etc., you might want to get an MS-DOS machine. I'd recommend a Compaq Deskpro, myself. You can get them rather cheaply these days, too, at least in LA. I hope you find this helpful. If you have any questions about the 7300, please feel free to E-mail me. My experience has been that sales people are not very knowledgable about this machine at all, even from AT&T. You can get some advice about the 7300 from people in net.micro.att as well. Do shop around, and check out the third-party options. Mike Meyer Hughes Aircraft EDSG Image and Signal Processing Lab El Segundo, CA (213)616-8141 ...!seismo!scgvaxd!tcville!meyer