Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!gds From: gds@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Greg Skinner) Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: Love-Hounds Digest Message-ID: <1216@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 7-Mar-86 23:59:11 EST Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.1216 Posted: Fri Mar 7 23:59:11 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 9-Mar-86 05:25:58 EST Organization: MIT Lusers and Hosers Inc., Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 299 Approved: gds@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Friday, March 7, 1986, 11:59 Today's Topics: Oops... forwarded message on Christian Death (transference of electric love muffin discussion) 'ofmann eats 'umble pie ... actually subversive diatribe. Review: THE SNAKES, _I_Won't_Love_You_(Until_You're_More_Like_Me)_, Dischord, 1986 Jah give me de liscense to . . . fish (fish(ish(ish(ish(sh . . . Re: Fripp, Exposure, Daryl Hall, King Crimson In Remembrance of Pamela Stevenson [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 3 Mar 86 10:51:13 EST From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Tsun-Yuk Hsu) Subject: Oops... Thanks to Peter Alfke (sp.?) for correcting my attributing Shakespeare to T.S. Elliot. I WAS going to check my copy of Waste Land before babbling, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... And I have a well-read copy of the Tempest too... (insert symbol for extreme embarrassment, foot-in-mouth, red face etc.) Pseudo-music question of the day: I saw Woody Allen's Hannah and Her Sisters twice this weekend (how's that for a recommendation? :-) There was a scene in the movie with Woody Allen in a nightclub making faces while this band is playing on stage. I thought the band looked too "camp" to be real, but the cast list at the end named them as "The 39 Steps". Is this a real band? Has anyone seen them? They're your basic quartet of lead singer, 2 guitar/bass players and drummer. Just curious... Still Embarrassed Bill Hsu [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 3 Mar 86 9:27:14 EST From: Hofmann Subject: forwarded message on Christian Death And now for an opposing view from GoF (I'm assuming that's who you were refering to, Greg?) John sent me this description of Christian DEath by e-mail and I later asked him if I could post it to love-hounds ( mod.music ), he said he wasn't sure about all the facts (I said, well, I've never really been one for facts 8-> ) so ... I even researched this one a bit and I think everything is correct. Jim ------------------------ From: John Reeves Christian Death is was and will be Wank city. Formed roughly the same time as Joy Div and Bahaus, CD was the first (or therabouts) death/halloweenie bands - all spooky in black clothes, snow white tans and mysterioso images - featured Rikki Agnew (x-Adolecents, now in DI) on gtr and Tranvestite Roz on Vocals. Their first album was on Frontier and most people saw straight through the selfindulgent bullshit, until it got to europe where it 'inspired' a cult following culminating in the Batcave stuff. Of course when the inspiration got back here, people went apecrazy of it - nothing like validation from the mother shores to be claimed as originality. nah. By the time doom and gloom got fashionable, Christian Death had broken up, but when Roz found out she was Big in England, she reformed the band with second stringers for a Yerpean tour (this was about 1984?). I don't know about any other vinyl. The original members recently had a one-shot reunion gig, after which they were served notice by a lawyer for one of the second stringers (moniked 'Valor') to cease and desist using the name 'cause of trademark infingment. Nice guy. --John [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 3 Mar 86 9:38:38 EST From: Hofmann Subject: (transference of electric love muffin discussion) Welcome, Paul Kirsch to this list - I've decided to stop responding to your brethern at SJU after they both showed themselves to the world their ignorance. I just hope no one else out there believes them. Actually, I heard the Electric Love Muffins (which one of your fellow SJU'ers proclaimed undying love ) at a "hardcore" show with the Psychotic Normans and Flag of Democracy. I liked them so much I traveled up to Philly to hear them with Executive Slacks. It is ironic that someone like L.P. would like them since they had to look to the hardcore scene for gigs and nuturing. One question, that I couldn't pursue when I last saw them since the drive home was to be long and arduous and I couldn't stick around - do they have any tapes out? or records? Finally, is Palena really Rowly? Their writing style and views coincide so much that it seems hard to believe it is coincidence. Please fill us in. Here, Greg is my favorite quote - "Communication is essential if we wish to communicate!!" - Mike (some guy at a club) and from a personal letter from Joe Jack: "don't get hit by any cars, Jim" Hofmann ----------- I reserve the right not to respond to any flames. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 3 Mar 86 10:00:54 EST From: Hofmann Subject: 'ofmann eats 'umble pie ... actually subversive diatribe. >Date: 2 Mar 1986 11:07-PST >Sender: CDONALDSON@USC-ISIF.ARPA >Subject: Re: Love-Hounds Digest >From: CDONALDSON@USC-ISIF.ARPA > Mr. Hoffman, the Village Voice is NO longer owned by R. Murdoch. Perhaps Once again, my complete lack of intelligence is shown to the world ... thanks for filling me in so I won't make a total ass of myself at parties ... speakin' of parties, i attended one last saturday in reisterstown, md with the total reistertown high school "hardcore" population. it was held in an attic with about an average of 2 inches head clearance (estimated std. deviation = 32") with a band called OTR playing. They asked the crowd if they wanted to hear Judas Priest, when no one responded, they said fuck you and played some anyway. I guess you can guess what OTR stands for - amazing, though, how easy it is for a bunch of teenagers to create their own alternative scene without any wankers telling them what is "politically and musically correct" in order to be "alternative." These various assorted "scenes" in small town America anywhere is sympomatic of the coming decline of the "music ""industry"" " - most of these major labels are holding companies for large conglomorates who will cut their profit and run at the first sign of unmarketability. Why do you think this push for dollar taxes on blank tapes and 25% taxes on dual port recorders is going on? Kids aren't only "bootlegging" lp's they are passing around tapes of their local bands and listening to them, regardless of a slick, professional sound. This "slick professional sound" can be easily produced for a few bucks more anyway and some bands into marketing their own tapes are doing it on their own. When the major labels cry about dwindling sales (only like 4 billion last year - [that's probably inaccurate but it's something outrageous)] they are really yelling "fire" in a crowded movie house, where all the strange men in overcoats are really cassettes of unsigned, unknown, bands and instead of a "fire" all these strange men are TRADING themselves with each other. Horrifying!!! but like I said, alot of these major labels will give up when the going gets unprofitable - look at MGM (I know that's movies but ...) so take heart as they try desparately to come up with marketing ideas like "next wave" or "cd players" ... Be subversive, buy a cassette from an unknown band. Take chances - you might find something you like. Hofmann > "Profit before Principle" yah! the same exact philosophy can be used against them... [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 3 Mar 86 17:29:00 EST From: Hofmann Subject: Review: THE SNAKES, _I_Won't_Love_You_(Until_You're_More_Like_Me)_, Dischord, 1986 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 86 17:33:12 EST Subject: Jah give me de liscense to . . . fish (fish(ish(ish(ish(sh . . . I was thinking how it's about time I wrote a real snotty thing about a record and was considering this new Snakes thing from Dischord to rant about. After all, it's an easy target - with the retread garage punk psyche that this mostly is but I've realized that, damnit, I like this vinyl. Sure, it's funny but I could probably spend days describing the various influences that pop up here with hardcore being among the least of them. This strikes some as suprising since the release is a brainchild of Mike Hampton and Ivar Jacobson, who though they claim not to listen to hardcore spend a hell of lot of time playing it with their respective bands, Embrace and SOA (well, correction - SOA isn't playing that much anymore ...). At times, this soars with the best of the 60's garage compilations (Nuggets spring to mind here) with the punky melodic tunes as, "I won't love you (till your more like me)" (the title cut), "Twelve Angry Men", "Serv Pro Joe" (with its Keith Moonish vocals!) and "She's got it now". But they didn't stop there and included some send-ups of other genres with Snake Rap, License to Fish (reggae - see subject header) and Fixing A Chair. The latter cut in it's first few moments sounded like some real cool thrash but before they pound into it - one of the boys stops and says he can't play because he has to go fix a chair. Must be an in joke because this baby is ripe with them. For example, the last cut on side 1 features someone pouring a cola and is entitled Confirming Suspicions perhaps referring to Ian's supposed Coke (we're talking about the soda here, folks) addiction that invariably he mentions in interviews. Oh yeah, Ian MacKaye is producing here in case you didn't know but with all the dubbing and ping-ponging that was probably going on at the Inner Ear during this recording the mix comes out somewhat flat. Too bad, they couldn't have waited until the Ear went 16-track. So how could I hate this vinyl? With all this and the price ($5) - how can you go wrong (as !stolaf!robertsl would say)? So if you're into garage-punk psyche dub or something of that configuration, I strongly recommend you add this to your collection. Available from Dischord Records, Washington DC [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 20 Feb 86 06:36:05 est From: John Kitamura Subject: Re: Fripp, Exposure, Daryl Hall, King Crimson Apparently-To: Love-Hounds [This article was found in mod.music. You may may to edit it out, gds, so that it doesn't appear twice. -- Doug] Although credited as co-composer, Daryl Hall isn't the vocalist on "Chicago". It is sung by the amazing Peter Hammil, of Van Der Graff Generator fame, and lately of the "K" Band. Hammil and Fripp have collaborated on several other projects (Two VDGG albums, "H to He, Who am the Only One", and "Pawn Hearts", and a couple solo Hammil albums (I think)). On exposure, Hammil also sings on "Disengage" and "I may not have had e..." Another interesting point; "Exposure" has been recently (end of last summer) re-released in Canada with a foldout cover. The tracks are listed as the same but there are noticeable differences in the songs. A different vocal track is used on "Disengage", the Frippertronics pieces are a lot longer (some by several minutes), and some of the between track conversations have been shortened. As for "Exposure" being a Crimson album, I have to agree. Most of the material was written while Crimson was still together (The Wetton/Bruford/ Cross line-up) and it sounds much more like Crimson than Fripp's later works. (But not the `new' Crimson - the Belew infested one). A postscript: For those of you who really enjoy the hard-edged material on "Exposure" and "Starless and Bible Black", and are Wayside Music corresponders, I heartily recommend the two "Bi Kyo Ran" albums that they are currently offering - a Japanese Crimson-cover band. Perhaps not the most inventive music ever recorded, but the guitarist/composer is a dead ringer for that era of Fripp. John Kitamura/ Univ of Toronto [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 4 Mar 86 01:21:13 EST From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: In Remembrance of Pamela Stevenson >> [Me:] If anyone thinks they know how "aresh aresh tomp pare hairdo" >> should really read, or knows what a "Cop Boutique" is, please let >> me know: > [gtalylor:] I'm surprised that a dedicated obscurantist such as > yourself could miss where "aresh" comes from.....after all, the > author's name is right there in the song! Yep, good old Marcel Brust > -oops, that's Proust. The real title is "A la Recherche du Temps > Perdu", translated in English as "The Remembrance of Things Past." Oh well, so much for my knowledge of French literature... Actually I know of the book -- just not the author. Good detective work! I went back and listened to the song, and think that the line is actually a play on the real title. It now sounds like Went to my hairdresser to have a hairdoo He asked if I him knew 'A la Recherche Tete-Temps Perdu" > It's a 3 volume set of 7 "books" in the most elliptical Frogspeak > you can imagine whose siren charms are known to all. It is the > novelistic equivalent of very good brandy. It will either entirely > captivate your or put you right to sleep, just like you-know-who. How much is lost or altered in translation, though? I have enough trouble with elliptical English Frogspeak, without trying to tackle French Frogspeak. "La plume de ma tante est sur la beaureau de mon uncle Et le papier de mon uncle est sur la beaureau de ma tante" Doug [][][][][][][][][][] -- It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under. Greg Skinner (gregbo) {decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds gds@eddie.mit.edu