Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!gds From: gds@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Greg Skinner) Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: Love-Hounds Digest Message-ID: <1359@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: Sat, 22-Mar-86 13:20:49 EST Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.1359 Posted: Sat Mar 22 13:20:49 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 24-Mar-86 03:35:32 EST Organization: MIT Lusers and Hosers Inc., Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 512 Approved: gds@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Saturday, March 22, 1986, Today's Topics: Groaners Sonic Youth/Couch Flambeau Goanna, love-hounds morale, weird girls in Philly Right Planet, Wrong Medium weird movies Peter Gabriel Re: Movies No, no, no Recent gigs Buttholes, continued and concluded Golden Palominos question (2 msgs) Robyn Hitchcock fan club [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 12 Mar 86 08:12:25 pst From: Scott Peterson Subject: Groaners THE SEMI COMPLETE LIST OF SHEEP SONGS Here is a list of slightly altered song titles that become somewhat amusing to the sick and twisted when taken literally. Songs: Every breath ewe take - police No one like ewe - scorpions Rock ewe like a hurricane - scorpions Don't ewe forget about me - simple minds Born in the ewe S. A. - bruce Ewe really got me - kinks Missing ewe - i dunno [john waite] Do ewe believe in love - i dont care Who are ewe - the who Ewe better ewe bet - the who Running to ewe - cars (baby) Ewe can drive my car - beatles Hello, I love ewe - doors (?) Would I lie to ewe - eurythmics Babe I'm gonna leave ewe - zep Ewe can't always get what you (they) want - stones Imagine the covers of these albums changed to reflect the new titles. Albums: Wish ewe were here - floyd Tattoo ewe - stones Groups: ewe-2 Anybody got any more? [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 12:20:31 EST From: Hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Sonic Youth/Couch Flambeau >How to describe their music? It has the same rawness and intensity >of early 80's hardcore that's for sure. And they reject the use >Jim Date: Thu, 13 Mar 86 23:54:37 EST From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Tsun-Yuk Hsu) Subject: Re: Sonic Youth I don't think Sonic Youth sounds much like early hardcore, but what do I know about early hardcore... Bill Hsu Like I said, the same rawness and intensity is present not the same sound. Just wanted to clarify that. Private to Bill: Your system responds to my messages to you with (and I quoteth): "I don't want to talk to you" ... why? Your private missive about Couch Flambeau was answered with a "buy the `new' album - The Day the Music Died if you like P O W E R music ... if Pete Townsend ever got hit on the head and his memory returned he'd probably want to be backed up by a band like the Couch ... Keep your cool and follow the rules, Jim [][][][][][][][][][] From: think!harvard!bu-cs!sam Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 11:46:16 EST Subject: Goanna, love-hounds morale, weird girls in Philly >I'd like to see what you all look like >to see if you look as strange as you talk. And if you look normal (by >normal, I mean, pretty much like everyone else, not like the girl I saw >in Philly with half her head shaved and crosses painted on her scalp >in red nailpolish, and a white mouse in her over-sized coat pocket) Wait a cotton-pickin' second...that girl in Philly was ME...! ------------------------------------- Musical question(s) of the day: I once saw somebody here list Goanna: Spirit of Place as one of their 10 albums to take to a desert island. (I listed it too, but I couldn't remember the name of the album, just the group...) Is that person still out there? Do you, or anybody else know anything else about Goanna? Did they ever release anything else after Spirit of Place? Does anybody else like this Aussie music? How about Moving Pictures? They could be the Australian version of Loverboy. Or Midnight Oil...the Aussie Def Leppard (sp?). Can anybody recommend anything to me more of the Goanna genre? Moving Pictures was nice to listen to...once or twice, but I'm curious about other local-type things. I have mucho friends in Australia, and if I knew what to ask for I could get them to send them to me... -------------------------------------- BY THE WAY...I'm so glad this obscenity fight is officially over. As the youngest (assumedly) person here (my virgin ears!), I just want to say that *I* was never offended..... But now that it's over...maybe we could do something to increase love-hounds morale!! Let's see, the possibilities are endless. We could start another poll...or maybe play a nifty prank on net.music.kate-haters. Wait...I've got it...how many people here are from the Boston area? I think pretty many... let's have a *party*...I vote for Doug's apartment because it's appropriately decorated. :-) And you folks in D.C. could do the same thing on the same night... it'd be like the Guideposts prayer hour...(well, maybe not exACTly..) -------------------------------------- "It's a one time thing it just happens a lot" --Shelli [][][][][][][][][][] Date: 17 Mar 86 15:53:00 PST From: "ROSSI J.A." Subject: Right Planet, Wrong Medium Reply-To: "ROSSI J.A." Shelli, I'm new to this 'guess the NET' addressing game and wouldn't even attempt to try to send mail directly to your address (tries to much less lengthy addresses have failed me in the past). In response to your inquiry, I do believe that the answer would be somewhat verbose, however, here goes.... It was about 3:00 am and I was performing the last lateral-hypothalamic rat-brain electrode implant of the day (about Summer, 1982). I was wearing my Walkman and tuned into WIOT Toledo. Just as I was suturing SEX came over the waves (this may not sound like much, but that was probably the most progressive thing ever played on that station .. normal mid-western fare station, Ozzie, Ted Nugent etc). It was unidentified, and in the haze brought upon by the time factor as well as being in an unventilated surgery suite with several unopened bottles of dental acrylic hardner (heavy on the toluene, I think), I actually wondered if I was halucinating, especially when I heard what I thought was F*CK ME at the end of the piece. After determining that I did hear the song, I tried calling WIOT to find out what it was. The DJ claimed that it was never played. I stopped thinking about it and got loaded. About two years later, I saw a Night-Flight concerning 'Sex in Music', or some such topic. Sure enough, they played the SEX video, and I learned of the existence of the band Berlin. Once I realized what I was hearing/ seeing, my attention was drawn to the close of the tune, but alas (more Pournelle rub off), no indication of subdued obscenities at the end. Since I now realized I had heard this song in the surgery that night my interests were peaked (pun?) and I ran off to get the Pleasure Victim album the next day. I listened to the SEX track, and confirmed the existence of F*CK something or other in the moans at the end. I became more obsessed with the METRO track than SEX, however, and again, I failed to confirm the F*CK ME line. About a month later, I recounted this whole thing with a sound engineer friend of mine (ex audiologist/synthesist), he insisted that the signal to noise ratio of the lyrics in the moans, coupled with the frequency attenuation from FM transmission, would have made it impossible for me to hear what was spoken at the end of the track. I then played the track for him and he agreed that there was a F*CK something spoken in the moans at the end. Now, he had access to all this sound processing equipment for digital filtering and analysis of audiograms, as well as a speed translating device which is used, i believe, in speech recognition improvement paradigms. We encoded the last 15 secs of the SEX track and processed it with the equipment. When the signal/noise ratio between the moans and the speech was maximized, it was unquestionable that the words were F*CK ME, F*CK ME. I must confess, however, that the second F*CK ME could have possibly been another UCK word (e.g., suck) but it was definately not any word related to anal sex. End of story .... (Told you it would be verbose) By the way, If anyone knows how to mail directly to multi "!"ed addresses directly from a generic MILNET or ARPANET Host, please clue me in. "Only timw ccan Close the Door" John ------ [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 17:09 MST From: "James J. Lippard" Subject: weird movies Reply-To: Lippard@MULTICS.MIT.EDU In the last week or so, I saw the movies "Blowup", "8 1/2", "The Tenant", "Picnic at Hanging Rock", and "Videodrome". All were strange in different sorts of ways, but they prompted me to put together a list of some of the stranger movies I've seen, ranked in a scale of "weirdness" from 0 to 5, plus 6 being a special category for "Eraserhead" (0 would be a conventional, straight-forward movie). I liked them all, I have a fondness for weird movies. Anybody have any good ones to add to this list? 1: Picnic at Hanging Rock (Peter Weir) (Girls from a boarding school visit Hanging Rock, three and one teacher do not return. Viewer has to "provide own conclusions" as to what happened.) 2: Blowup (Michelangelo Antonioni) (Photographer gets pictures of a murder about to take place. DePalma's "Blow Out" borrowed heavily. Lots of strange symbolism.) The Tenant (Roman Polanski) (Neat story, reminded me of something by Rudy Rucker. Polanski plays paranoid tenant in apartment whose previous owner committed suicide.) 3: Videodrome (David Cronenberg) (Executive of small Canadian TV channel comes across a pirate broadcast of a show called "Videodrome", whose participants are tortured and beaten. Quickly becomes very weird, difficult to tell what is really happening and what is videodrome-induced hallucination.) if... (Lindsay Anderson) (Malcolm McDowell and friends plan revolution at a military boarding school. Scenes periodically in black & white, weird ending. McDowell's first film.) 4: Man of Flowers (?) (I just remember it was weird, but my mental condition at the time was such that it might have just been me. No, I think it was weird. Much of it seemed to make some kind of sense at the time (though I'm pretty sure *that* was just me). Anybody else seen this who can enlighten me?) Oh Lucky Man (Lindsay Anderson) (McDowell appears again in a sort of sequel to "if...". A self-referential movie that starts out making perfect sense and then really becomes strange.) 5: 8 1/2 (Federico Fellini) (Another self-referential movie. Lots of scenes which are not directly connected to one another, I bet repeated viewing would make more sense out of it. Woody Allen's "Stardust Memories" came to mind a lot while watching this.) 6: Eraserhead (David Lynch) (WEIRD. If anyone can explain this movie, I'd like to hear it.) -- Jim (Lippard at MULTICS.MIT.EDU) [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 10:59:02 est From: Alec Saunders Subject: Peter Gabriel Apparently-To: Love-Hounds After Gabriel iv he announced he wasn't recording anymore. He said he was going into 'films'. Who knows when the next Gabriel album will be!? -- Alec Saunders wasaunders!watdragon!watnot!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses ...!cbosgd!ihnp4 ...!vt200!linus "Parallel hair???? Who needs it!" [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 21:50:29 EST From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Tsun-Yuk Hsu) Subject: Re: Movies I wonder if this movies stuff will get posted to mod.music. If it does, then maybe we'll get another round of complaints again. I hope so :-) I kind of enjoy movies that are "different" too; a few examples: BRAZIL A trip in more ways than one... read net.movies for details LIQUID SKY What the great decadent artists like Genet might have done if they made music videos. Perfect soundtrack, hilarious dada minimalist plot about aliens who land on the roof of a lesbian model... SEE IT!! STRANGER THAN PARADISE This is "different" only in its choppy, unpolished style. The story is straightforward (girl from foreign country comes to US, has misadventures etc.) Endearing characters. And lots of Woody Allen (I haven't seen Stardust Memories, tho), Ralph Bakshi (FRITZ THE CAT, AMERICAN POP, etc.), more mainstream things like APOCALYPSE NOW (I hope Palena doesn't read this...), HAROLD AND MAUDE, BLADERUNNER (see it for the crumbling LA of the 21st century and the gigantic billboards) etc. etc. On my list of "must sees": DIVA, ERASERHEAD, PINK FLAMINGOES, any Fellini, any Werner Herzog, any Fassbinder, etc. etc. Bill Hsu [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 22:06:29 EST From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: No, no, no No! No more "ewe" jokes! I can't take any more. No, not a single one more! "L'Amour Looks Something Like You" Doug [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 19:16:08 PST From: allynh@calder.berkeley.edu (Allyn Hardyck) Subject: Recent gigs Scraping Foetus off the Wheel / Negativland @ I-Beam, SF, March 10 Well, this was something of a disappointment. But not because of the opener: Negativland was great, proffering their twisted tech view of their home (suburban Contra Costa County) in a mass of tape loopings, editings, videos and 3 Casio CZ-101s. The members of the band wouldn't look out of place working for Zehntel. "(squirt) (squirt) I'm using my 409 to clean up this sloppy mess!" Their latest album features a small packet of genuine lawn clippings. But Foetus' stage act was not up to the level of his albums. It was understandable that he wouldn't be able to reproduce everything live, but it ended up reducing to him, a mike, and dry ice. (And distortedly over-loud backing tapes.) He came out in leather jacket (soon shed) and pants, shades, and a baseball bat. We've seen this swagger before. "D. E. S. T. R. O. Y. Des-TROY! ALL! GIRLS!" (swish) (swish). Yeah yeah. After 20 minutes of this, he collapsed on the stage and disappeared into the fog. Did not play "The Only Good Christian is a Dead Christian." On stage, Billy Idol revisited. (What's happened to him anyway?) The Fall / The Nuns / The Catheads @ The Stone, SF, March 14 Oops - came into the club a little early, the Catheads hadn't played their radio hit, "Golden Gate Park" ("even the cops are cool") and weren't that interesting (no in-out privileges at this place, I forgot). Yeah, that PiL video, lots of laundry and dried leaves and flailing. The Nuns - this was that seminal late 70's SF band? Well, they did "Suicide Child" so I guess so, but as someone said, "Never trust a guitarist with a Flying V." And they never did turn off the blue light on the female keyboardist. Well, a large percentage of the crowd (non-punks) decided that the Fall was suitable music to slam to, so I got a mass of woefully out-of-place-looking people on top of me much of the night, who I gleefully reasserted my equilibrium against. Only songs I recognized were "Lay of the Land" and "2 x 4" (encore) (I don't have the new album). Not much on audience contact are they? Brix did occasionally say things to an apparent friend at the edge of the stage. That was the only time any visible emotion was displayed by a member of the band (she smiled), except when someone leapt onto the stage, weaved about it, and dove off the right side near her (the crowd neatly peeled back and he hit the floor with a satisfyingly crunchy sound), at which she registered cool contempt. "Keep your hands inside the ride at all times" allyn [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 86 17:38:02 EST From: Hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Buttholes, continued and concluded When we last left the hapless interviewer with those madcap Butthole Surfers ... gibby likened their sound with wipe-abilly ... Interviewer: You mean there's a rockabilly element to your music? Gibby: No there's more a grunt element Paul: We're like an extended bad TV commercial Interviewer: Is it the kind of music that comes out and hits you over the head? Gibby: No, it's the kind of music that comes out and plays with your sister. Interviewer: Do you play the blues? Paul: It's all the blues; well sort of the browns. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: 17 Mar 1986 2109-PST (Monday) From: Elgin Lee Subject: Golden Palominos question Just checked the paper and saw that the Golden Palominos are playing locally (S.F.) next week. Which brings me to the momentous question: when the Golden Palominos tour, who are the players? I guess that Bill Laswell and Anton Fier will show up, but who else? Probably not Michael Stipe, Jack Bruce, or Johnny Lydon. Henry Kaiser? Richard Thompson? Syd Straw? quizzically, Elgin Lee [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 00:20:55 EST From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Re: Golden Palominos question > From: Elgin Lee > Just checked the paper and saw that the Golden Palominos are playing > locally (S.F.) next week. Which brings me to the momentous > question: when the Golden Palominos tour, who are the players? I > guess that Bill Laswell and Anton Fier will show up, but who else? > Probably not Michael Stipe, Jack Bruce, or Johnny Lydon. Henry > Kaiser? Richard Thompson? Syd Straw? I saw them play at the Paradise in Boston a short while back, and the most notable members there were Anton Fier, Jack Bruce, Syd Straw, and someone else whose name I can't remember offhand, but who was in Faust and has a bunch of solo albums. "If they find me racing white horses They'll not take me for a buoy" Doug [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 01:26:22 EST From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Robyn Hitchcock fan club It was only a matter of time, was it not? ROBYN HITCHCOCK If you would like to be on our mailing list, or would be interested in joining a Robyn Hitchcock Fan Club, send SASE TO: T. Miller 158-15 79th St. Howard Beach, N.Y. 11414 [][][][][][][][][][] -- It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under. Greg Skinner (gregbo) {decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds gds@eddie.mit.edu