Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site mit-eddie.MIT.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!petrus!scherzo!allegra!mit-eddie!gds From: gds@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Greg Skinner) Newsgroups: mod.music Subject: Love-Hounds Digest Message-ID: <1369@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: Mon, 24-Mar-86 02:59:07 EST Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.1369 Posted: Mon Mar 24 02:59:07 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 24-Mar-86 18:46:20 EST Organization: MIT Lusers and Hosers Inc., Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 497 Approved: gds@eddie.mit.edu Love-Hounds Digest Monday, March 24, 1986, 02:59 Today's Topics: Picnic at Hanging Rock (2 msgs) barely audible vocals Re: Wierd movies (2 msgs) Thomas Dolby (2 msgs) Bush / Gabriel / maybe more neo bang-bang music / rodents in heat Re: Bush / Gabriel / maybe more XTC info & assorted stuff from a new reader Bill Nelson, and PIL Love-Hounds: Funny Movies KB 12" singles and Cloudbusting Video [][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Picnic at Hanging Rock Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 08:03:58 -0500 From: jdarnold@ATHENA.MIT.EDU PaHR is one of my all time favorite movies by my all time favorite director, Peter Weir. Something you forgot to mention: the music in this movie is incredible! I would do anything to get the soundtrack, esp. on CD! Mostly using the Pipes-of-Pan, by that all time favorite (he even has a Send-Before-Midnight-Tonight-World's-Greatest-Record on TV album) Zamfir, the music and the soft focus and beautiful young girls all contribute to a very eerie and hard to shake atmosphere piece. It was on the Arts & Entertainment network a few weeks ago and I finally got it on Video tape. This particular showing was really marred by commercial breaks (which has destroyed many a great movie, especially atmosphere pieces), but with a quick trigger finger, I carefully avoided recording them. If it should ever come to a theater, tho, check this one out! Also by Peter Weir (all of which are excellent movies): The Last Wave - weird movie of the apocalypse, with Richard Chamberlin Gallipoli - somewhat slow war movie with Mel Gibson Year of Living Dangerously - another excellent soundtrack by a someone-I-can't-right-now-recall Jarre, with Mel Gibson and Sigourney Weaver; another incredible atmosphere movie Witness - Academy Award nominations out the wazoo - definitely my Picture, Director, and Actor of the Year (Harrison Ford was superb); Heard on 'FNX yesterday - my current #1 song is by The Call: I Still Believe, and the DJ said that Peter Gabriel helps out (does the vocal?) on 1 song on their album (as does that twerp lead singer of Simple Minded, oh well, few things are perfect!). PS: I'll get back to you on the Goanna album, perhaps with a discography. I too am big on things Aussie and have friends "down" there. Aussie movies are my specialty. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 21:19:45 pst From: think!seismo!hao!hplabs!tektronix!ogcvax!omssw1!omssw1!sdp (Scott Peterson) Subject: barely audible vocals Never heard of (the group) SEX, but Zappa's "Crew Slut" on "Joe's Garage, Act I" has a background vocal that drones "f*ck me" alternated with "f*ck you" for a good portion of the song. Took me a few listenings to realize that the background was somebody talking. --- Scott " ... I ain't gonna squash it, and you don't need to wash it ... " see above [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 18 Mar 86 22:12:15 pst From: think!seismo!hao!hplabs!tektronix!ogcvax!omssw1!omssw1!sdp (Scott Peterson) Subject: Re: Wierd movies My 3 favorite wierd movies are Buckaroo Banzai, Across the 8th Dimension Videodrome The Man Who Fell to Earth (Two of these have music, so it's ok to discuss them here, right?) I've seen "Oh Lucky Man", but not all of the scenes in the proper order. Does it make a difference? It's always on at 3:12 on channel 3.71e-9. I do distinctly remember them referring to some specific act as "Giving her the old in-out", with a proper british accent. Understanding "Eraserhead" requires special chemicals. I've never seen the movie or the chemicals. --- Scott [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 19 Mar 86 12:27:57 pst From: think!seismo!hao!hplabs!tektronix!ogcvax!omssw1!omssw1!sdp (Scott Peterson) Subject: Thomas Dolby Did Thomas Dolby quit the music business after just "The Golden Age of Wireless" and "The Flat Earth"? I bought an album by George Clinton (?) because the R.S. said Dolby was on it. Turns out he was on it as a producer. I was disappointed by that AND the music. Anyway, what's TD up to these days? Am I the only one that cares? --- Scott 2 ... it turned into the kind of drug that Kieth feels isn't that funny ... "The White City" T.D. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu 20 Mar 86 08:32:48-PST From: Bob Knight Subject: Re: Picnic at Hanging Rock I second the recommendation of PaHR, and will add one thing to the list - The Plumber, an extremely bizarre short movie about a housewife being terrorized by a (deliberately?) incompetent plumber... Bob ------- ------- [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 09:07:18 PST From: jordan@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu (Jordan Hayes) Subject: Re: Thomas Dolby Didn't he work (anonymously) on the first few Whodini! singles? /jordan [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 11:15:40 EDT From: seismo!bdmrrr!potomac!jsl (John Labovitz) Subject: Re: weird movies X-Mailer: msg [version 3.2] For the last few days, I've been trying to think of movies that would qualify as `weird.' I knew I'd seen some in addition to the original list, but I couldn't remember. But here ya go... ``Even Dwarfs Started Small'' (Werner Herzog) -- The residents of a mental asylum, all midgets, revolt and trash the place. Everything is horrifying here -- torturing the monkeys and chickens, blowing things up, setting fire to people. The scariest scene I've ever had the pleasure of watching is the oldest midget sitting on top of a motorcycle, revving the engine, and laughing -- for about 5 minutes. Guaranteed to .. uh .. do something to you. ``Sweet Movie'' -- I don't really know what the plot is. Something about a bunch of people who do bizarre things and then some of them get aboard a commune ship going around the world. And then someone drowns while masturbating in a large vat of chocolate. Damn bizarre. (Directed by the same guy who did ``Montenegro'' (one of my all-time favorites) and ``The Coca-Cola Kid.'') If anyone's seen either of these, I'd like to get your opinions on them. John Labovitz ..!{rlgvax,seismo}!bdmrrr!potomac!jsl -- Don't act so embarrassed It's a family trait -- Robyn Hitchcock [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 19 Mar 86 23:16:53 EST From: CUTTER%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Local UMass address is Cutter@Mailer.CY175) Subject: Bush / Gabriel / maybe more Zowie, Doug! I knew Gabriel grabbed her (figuratively) for "peter gabriel" (III), but a concert? Wowzers! Damn lucky you're local... I finally fit HoL on a C90. There's NO space between songs, but.... I got the info on "Good" from the dude who was ripping the "Import Gabriel" section of the store apart with me. We were talking for about 20 minutes. He said that he subscribed to several Genesis/Gabriel fan mags and all had reported that the title was going to be called "Good". I checked with some other people in the store the next day and heard the same thing. You know fans, they will kill themselves to find out info, and they're usually not wrong... Yupper, the bootleg was Paris, '79. There were no other bootlegs there, although the chill dude at the counter said there were some coming in Real Soon Now. More as this develops. Also, I played the whole of "Watching You Without Me" backwards (I have a flakey turntable) in an attempt to see if the odd-sounding pseudo-Indian portion was spoken backwards. It is, but it all sounds like "He sees heat" or "He knows knock". Anyone else tried it? Didja get better results??? I'm going down to Florida, Joe ----------------------- "It's not music, it's a disease." - Mitch Miller [][][][][][][][][][] Date: 20 Mar 86 15:10:00 PST From: "ROSSI J.A." Subject: neo bang-bang music / rodents in heat Reply-To: "ROSSI J.A." Doug, Definition : Neo-bang-bang music - that type of music usually played by instrumentalists with little or no talent. The music is often characterized by continuous strumming of one or two chords at obnoxiously high volume backed by a drummer who is unable to deal with anything but straight 4/4 time with an occasional high-hat ride and a tom beat. When there is a vocal in such music it is usually sung by a vocalist with little or no talent, it is usually screamed and has little cognitive components. This music has no redeaming value at any level in tha lacks originality and other good qualities. In my opinion (I stress this) many of the new-wave political bands fall in to this category. While thee may be agrivation, compassion, and idealism in their music, it still makes my dog nervous. (Maybe the correct def is "music that makes my dog nervous"). As to where you can get a recording of rodents in heat, you might bring a port recorder to a pet store which sells rodents. If you can find someone who can sex them, you can separate the males from the females. Given the promiscuous nature of most rodents within a day or two you might catch the event. (Seriously, I never meant to coin the term Neo-bang-bang music in the first p place. I generally like most types of music even that described above. As for rodents in heat, If I ever get out of the navy and get back into an animal lab, I will be glad to record some for you.) "lunch special - 1 12" and 1 coke for 4.95" John ------ [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 15:20:58 EST From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: Re: Bush / Gabriel / maybe more > From: CUTTER%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU > Zowie, Doug! I knew Gabriel grabbed her (figuratively) for "peter > Gabriel" (III), but a concert? Wowzers! Damn lucky you're local... For the concert, it was other way around, however. Kate grabbed him. Peter Gabriel was also the "special guest" on Kate Bush's BBC TV special in '79, and they did a duet together -- a cover of Roy Harper's wonderful "Another Day" (Cocteau Twin fans are probably familiar with this song.) > I finally fit HoL on a C90. There's NO space between songs, but.... You didn't really speed it up 3% did you??? > I got the info on "Good" from the dude who was ripping the "Import > Gabriel" section of the store apart with me. We were talking for about > 20 minutes. He said that he subscribed to several Genesis/Gabriel fan > mags and all had reported that the title was going to be called > "Good". Did you get the addresses of any of these Gabriel fanzines? I've been looking for a Peter Gabriel fanzine for ages. They must not be exteremely well-known or they would have been mentioned in one of the KB zines. (You can find both "Break-Through" and "Homeground" every now and then in Newbury Comics, but maybe not "Break-Through" any more because they had so much trouble getting paid by Dutch East India Trading that they decided to only do subscriptions from now on.) > Also, I played the whole of "Watching You Without Me" backwards (I > have a flakey turntable) in an attempt to see if the odd-sounding > pseudo-Indian portion was spoken backwards. It is, but it all sounds > like "He sees heat" or "He knows knock". Anyone else tried it? Didja > get better results??? I have the whole thing on tape backwards. The part that sounds like "Really see" forwards still sounds like "Really see" backwards. There's one part that sounds to me like "He was long..., he was long..., he was longing ", which seems to make perfect sense in light of the song. Actually, I think it's Kate just trying to drive us crazy. (Have you played "Leave It Open" backwards yet?) "Going to Montanna Gonna raise me some dental floss" Doug [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 18:18:28 EST From: FULIGIN%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Peter E. Lee) Subject: XTC info & assorted stuff from a new reader Hi-ho, I'm new to the net, but fairly knowledgeable about 'new music', so here goes : On XTC : (My favorite group) As of the last issue of 'The Little Express' (the Canadian fan-club newsletter), the band have not yet chosen a producer or studio for their next album, but they have already written around 20 tracks. A complete list of song titles is available, my favorite being "Gang way, electric guitar coming through". They hope to have the album out by Easter. I find that "25 O'clock" is all the more brilliant if you realize that it was done as a joke. It was released on April Fool's Day in England last year, and is meant as a tribute to/send up of the psychadelic bands that XTC grew up on. All of the lyrics and music on that EP were recorded in one take. I think, however, that the band have really captured the soul of the music - each of the songs has a timeless quality which the best of the original psychadellic music did, but which so little of the music of the 'paisley underground' does today. (The preceding was an incitement to riot for some parties I'm sure). On The Golden Palominoes : The line-up which played at UMASS (the first official date of their first official tour) was : Anton Fier, Syd Straw, Peter Blegvad, Chris Stamey (SP?), Bernie Worrel, Jodie Harris, Jack Bruce, and a female singer/synth-player whose name escapes me. I got to talk to the band before the show for awhile, and it sounds like Stype will be joining them for the west coast dates. It also emerged that the current line-up is basically settled and won't be changing too much in the future. IE, those people who are on tour are the 'real' Golden Palominoes, and will be appearing on all future albums. On Peter Blegvad : Now playing with the Golden Palominoes, Peter Blegvad is one of my three favourite songwriters (the other two being Andy Partridge and Declan McManus/Elvis Costello). He was formerly a member of the bands 'Faust' and 'Slapp Happy', and has also released two excellent solo LP's, six or seven songs from which the Golden Palominoes are doing live. The albums are 'The Naked Shakespeare' - Produced by Andy Partridge, and featuring Anton Fier, Chris Stamey, Andy Partridge, Colin Moulding, Dave Stewart, and (on one track) Maggie Reilly (singer with Mike Oldfield) - and 'Knights Like This' (which was produced by David Lord, and features Chris Difford (of Squeeze and Difford & Tilbrook) among others). 'The Naked Shakespeare' (Virgin records, UK 1983) is truly brilliant, mixing slightly warped, extremely intelligent pop songs with some very odd sung/spoken poetry. 'Knights Like This' (Virgin Records, UK 1985) is, in Blegvad's own words, "Over-produced" and sounds a little too slick most of the time, but it, too, features some exceptional songwriting with a few good hooks thrown in here and there for good measure. The musicianship on both LPs (as you can guess from the artists involved) is exceptional. On Shriekback : 'Tench' was Shriekbacks first LP (EP? - 6 songs as I recall), the single from it was 'Sexthinkone'. One or two tracks from it (I don't have my copy near the terminal) also appear on 'Care'. The limited edition double pack of 'Nemesis' (both 7" and 12") feature live verions of 'Mothloop' and 'Feelers' - both of which appear in studio form on 'Tench'. The other version of 'Jam Science' (I have both) was released by Y records without the permission of the band when the band went to Arista from Y. It consists of what the band had finished for the album at the time of the label change. Two or three songs appear on it which are not on the Arista version at all, and those songs which do overlap are entirely different versions. The Y album is far more like like 'Care' than is the Arista version - It has more of the dense, murky sound and less of the slickness. Better or worse I couldn't say, but definately different. On life in general : Any other fans of XTC, The Jazz Butcher, Peter Blegvad, Colourbox, or Propaganda out there? What do the Kate fans think of the 'Organnon Mix' of "Cloudbusting" and "Alternative Hounds Of Love"? Anyone else seen the vid for Cloudbusting? And how do the Cocteau Twins fans like Dead Can Dance? Oh well... Space Antlers For Peace, -Peter E. Lee Fuligin%Umass.BITNet@WISCVM.ARPA [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 19:56:26 EST From: FULIGIN%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Peter E. Lee) Subject: Bill Nelson, and PIL >I would appreciate if somebody can tell me, or point me to, the usual >album specs for the PiL ``album''; I don't know the whole line-up off-hand, but Ryuichi Sakamoto (ex-YMO) is on keyboards, with Ginger Baker (ex-Blind Faith, etc...) on drums. According to John Lydon, from a recent Melody Maker interview, he is PiL and all of the other members are transient and chosen by him from project to project. According to Anton Fier however, from an interview I did with him about 2 weeks ago, Bill Laswell wouldn't let the rest of the regular PiL musicians into the studio, and instead chose to use session musicians who could play their instruments. About Bill Nelson : Nelson has a new single out (released within the last week or so), called 'Wildest Dreams'. Very pretty, sort of in the 'Another Day, Another Ray Of Hope' stream of things. The B-Side of the 12 inch contains an instrumental piece called 'The Yo-Yo Dyne'. Does anybody know what a yo-yo dyne is? Does it have a meanining at all, besides being the name of a propulsion systems company in Buckaroo Banzai? Also, according to a Melody Maker of awhile back, Nelson will be (or is) producing the next David Sylvian solo-LP, which ought to be pretty impressive, if the report is true. -Peter E. Lee [][][][][][][][][][] Date: 20 Mar 86 (Thu) 11:26:36 EST From: Robert Goldman Subject: Love-Hounds: Funny Movies About the wierd movies -- I'd like to give a '5' to David Lynch's DUNE, which I'd describe as follows: David Lynch indulges many of his obsessions at with the resources of Dino "90-Foot King Kong Doll" DeLaurentiis. Sets lavish and wonderful, the whole effect is to make you very uncomfortable as you watch, by exposing you to deeply disquieting images. Because there had to be an excuse to get this huge budget, an apparently bored Lynch inserts clips from the film of the Reader's Digest Condensed DUNE. Plot events totally uninteresting, as are the good guys and Sting. But the Bad Guys are magnificent! Robert BITNET rpg@BROWNCS.BITNET (to IBMS:BROWNVM) CSNET rpg@Brown.CSNET ARPANET rpg%Brown@csnet-relay.ARPA UUCP {decvax,ihnp4,allegra}!brunix!rpg [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 20 Mar 86 23:53:22 EST From: nessus (Doug Alan) Subject: KB 12" singles and Cloudbusting Video > From: FULIGIN%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Peter E. Lee) > What do the Kate fans think of the 'Organnon Mix' of "Cloudbusting" > and "Alternative Hounds Of Love"? I think they're gnarly to the max. And just right for 12 inch singles, rather than album versions, without being too 12-inch-single-y. And how could one continue life without having "My Lagan Love" and "The Handsome Cabin Boy"? I wonder what Kate's going to do for the 12 inch single for "The Big Sky"? (If there is one.) I don't think you'd really want to extend it. It already is a great 12 inch single the way it is, even if it doesn't come that way. > Anyone else seen the vid for Cloudbusting? Yeah! Where'd you see it? On Empty-V? I showed it to Jim Hofmann a while back and he posted a long article here saying how he thought Kate looked ridiculous trying to play the part of a little boy. I think his head is up his a**, but then, isn't all of ours? "Bless me father, bless me father For I have sinned, UH!" Doug [][][][][][][][][][] -- It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under. Greg Skinner (gregbo) {decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds gds@eddie.mit.edu