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From: cs111olg@ucla-cs.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness
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Date: Tue, 11-Mar-86 22:36:32 EST
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Posted: Tue Mar 11 22:36:32 1986
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Reply-To: cs111olg@ucla-cs.UUCP (Oleg Kiselev (the student incarnation))
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In article <610@bunkerb.UUCP> garys@bunkerb.UUCP (Gary M. Samuelson) writes:
>>I feel the an unwanted child
>>birth DOES threaten the mother's life if not physically, then emotionally
>>and financially.
>
>All those poor people are threatening my life.  If not physically, then
>emotionally and financially.  Does that give me the right to get rid of
>them to alleviate that threat?  (My answer: of course not.)  So what's the
>difference?  (Expected answer (yours): the fetus is not yet a person).
>OK, back to the issue then (is the fetus a "person"?).

No, my answer is "Get rid of poverty by elevating the people out of it."
"Poor people are threatening" your life only because you are indirectly
responsible for their condition. (This belongs in net.politics!)

If you don't see how woman's wellbeing is more important than the wellbeing
of a fetus - we might as well stop this discussion now. We obviously have 
systems of values and understanding of RIGHT and WRONG so vastly different
that there is no point to any arguments. What's RIGHT to me is WRONG to you.
How can we even hope to reach any  understanding????

>>WHY?! Why should you damage the life of one human being to give another
>>one a (quite possibly) equally miserable life?!
>
>Why do you presume that the "other human being" (did you intend
>to tacitly admit that the fetus is a human being?) will have a miserable
>life?  Why don't you let that "other human being" make that choice?

FIRST, I doubt I have ever denied a fetus being a HUMAN BEING. 
SECOND, Fetus is not a PERSON, however, and can NOT make ANY choices.
It is not even ALIVE in any real sense!!!! It is a part of it's host's 
("mother's") body!

						Oleg Kiselev
"Should the unborn have rights?"
"YES. Because they can thank you for it afterwards."

"Should the dead have rights?"
"NO. Because dead can't speak."
				Laurie Anderson