Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.7.0.10 $; site techsup Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!convex!techsup!georgeg From: georgeg@techsup Newsgroups: net.auto Subject: Re: Honda CRX 16-valve Message-ID: <-39614461@techsup> Date: Fri, 7-Mar-86 15:01:00 EST Article-I.D.: techsup.-39614461 Posted: Fri Mar 7 15:01:00 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 13-Mar-86 06:45:14 EST References: <12082@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Lines: 87 Nf-ID: #R:ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU:12082:techsup:-39614461:000:3197 Nf-From: techsup!georgeg Mar 7 14:01:00 1986 well now, just what are we comparing here??? first, let me qualify just what Dr. Honda has available. being the owner of a 1985 CRX si, I think that I may be able to give some accurate input. First, the New Car. The CRX. This car come in three versions: The CRX hf The CRX 1.5 and The latest, the CRX si The CRX hf is Honda's economy wizzard, which is designed around a 1.5, 8 valve engine. This engine will develope 58 HP. Not the best, but then this CRX is noted for its fuel economy. The 1.5 CRX is the same with the addition of another valve per cylinder, different carbueration, and many nice features like wider tires, sway bars, ect This engine produces 76 HP, and burns abit more fuel doing it The latest, The CRX si, is different still. First, add sequential port fuel injection. Second, add alloy wheels. Third, add an electric sun/moon (beats me which is which) roof Now this engine will produce 91 HP, and due to the programmed fuel injection, give slightly better fuel economy over the regular 1.5 CRX Please bear in mind that we have 91 HP for a car that will weight in at 1800 lbs dry. Also, remember that the base cost of this car (mine) was $7995 U.S. and if you claim that one cannot purchase this car without paying some additional dealer profeit charge, then perhaps find another dealer or write to HONDA U.S and ask them what YOU get for this charge. Letters DO work! I may have waited awhile for my car (about six months) but then again if I can save a $1000 or so by waiting i'd gladly do it. Now if you wish to compare a 1.6 liter SAAB, fine. But first, just what ARE we comparing? If it is horsepower, the SAAB wins without question for specification do not lie (well they shoudn't) How about quickness? My fuel injected CRX si will most likely be quicker, but no dought slower at top end (which is about 124 mph straight and level but you didn't hear me say that.) Quicker, sure... I don't know how heavy a SAAB is but a SAAB is noted for many things, one of which is safety, and safety sometimes means steel, which to me means weight. If we compare economy, then I win. 'nuff said. How about price??? Just take a look at new cars these days. Honda CRX si's will run with A/C $9560 U.S. For an extra 30% more U.S. dollars, you get a SAAB. Is the difference worth $5000? Maybe, that is if you have it. I don't, and the SAAB cannot perform 30% better than my Honda. Is a SAAB 30% faster? Can it handle the road 30% better under all conditions? You cannot compare the two cars equally. I am not trying to flame the SAAB, I envy those who are sucessful enough to own such a car. I mearly am happy that I could get the performance for the price that I paid. Yes I know that I purchased a death trap, but that is another story all together... Let's see here, please, if you will, wait till the Honda Integra and Acura's come to this land, and perhaps a better comparison could be made. Well, I hope that i haven't offended anyone... again, I only feel that apples must be compared with like apples, not the whole orchard Cheers, and... was that YOU I passed :-) georgeg !trsvax!techsup!georgeg .