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From: ted@bcsaic.UUCP (ted jardine)
Newsgroups: net.aviation
Subject: Re: IFR procedure questions
Message-ID: <469@bcsaic.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 3-Mar-86 13:18:03 EST
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Posted: Mon Mar  3 13:18:03 1986
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In article <1329@brl-smoke.ARPA> ron@brl-smoke.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) writes:
>> However, if an ATC clearance is involved then PIC is not permitted
>> since the pilot is not rated for instrument operations.
>
>This is slightly confusing.  People frequently operate under ATC clearance
>without an intstrument rating as long as you don't go into instrument
>conditions.  It's even required at some airports.
>
>-Ron

As I believe I am the one 'quoted' above, let me agree with Ron.  What I should
have said was "an ATC IFR clearance" as the key question is whether the flight
is operating under the part of FAR 91 that governs instrument operations.  It
may be a moot point, however, since the FAA has issued an opinion that as long
as an appropriately rated instrument pilot is along the time in actual IMC can
be logged as PIC.  ATC clearances for operating in TCA's, ARSA's, and ATA's
don't affect logging PIC as far as I know.

TJ {With Amazing Grace} The Piper
(aka Ted Jardine)  CFI-ASME/I
Boeing Artificial Intelligence Center
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