Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bds beta 6/6/85; site pucc-j Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!pucc-j!rsk From: rsk@pucc-j (Wombat) Newsgroups: net.columbia Subject: Re: Escape tower for shuttle orbiter? Message-ID: <888@pucc-j> Date: Wed, 12-Mar-86 21:12:11 EST Article-I.D.: pucc-j.888 Posted: Wed Mar 12 21:12:11 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 14-Mar-86 05:44:13 EST References: <9696@ucla-cs.ARPA> <588@qantel.UUCP> <12286@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <418@watcgl.UUCP> Reply-To: rsk@pucc-j.UUCP (Wombat) Distribution: net Organization: Purdue University Lines: 54 >> In article <588@qantel.UUCP> lynx@qantel.UUCP (D.N. Lynx Crowe@ex2207) writes: >>> >>>It wouldn't be necessary to have the entire orbiter be detached from the >>>ET and SRB's, just the crew compartment. The main problem with this, I >>>think, would be in making the crew compartment separable from the rest >>>of the orbiter. A much smaller escape tower motor could then be used. Good point. Several of us around here speculated on the problem of pulling the entire orbiter away from the booster package, and concluded that there didn't seem to be a reasonable way to do it. A detachable crew compartment carries its own engineering problems, of course (for instance, ensuring that it doesn't detach until you want it to) but the same sort of escape towers used on previous manned missions should be adequate for the job. One consideration which caused us considerable speculation was the effect of the "roll" (performed shortly after launch) on an attempted escape via such a tower. Perhaps someone conversant in the aerodynamics involved could comment on whether or not this would be a problem? Now then; we also have this exchange: David desJardins: > I hate to sound callous, but I don't see the point of all of this just > to save the crew. If you could save the orbiter, that would be great, but > you are talking about something that has got to cost hundreds of millions > of dollars just to save the crew. Doesn't this seem a trifle excessive? > Valerio Franceschin: >You don't sound callous, you sound like a neanderthal SAVAGE! Actually, this kind of cost-vs-human-lives thinking goes on all the time; it's just that we don't think about it a lot, or we don't easily admit thinking about it. Failure to put a cap on the funds spent on astronaut safety, for instance, would result in an astronomical (sorry) amount of money being spent. It would probably also spell the end of the space program--since one can never be 100.0% sure that the astronauts would be safe. [Think about this in terms of bicycle engineering, for instance, to gain some perspective.] *IF* the people at NASA do their job, and are competent engineers and physicists, then the amount of money and effort expended on safety is enough to reach the point of diminishing returns -- and perhaps cross over it, just a bit. The question to be answered here (if, say, an escape tower system would cost $100 million) is: "Is the added margin of safety worth $100 million?". Of course, the people that have to answer this are NASA officials, scientists, engineers -- and the astronauts. Note that there is always the possible that the installation of such a system might actually make the spacecraft *less safe*. This problem falls in the domain of risk analysis and safety engineering, not in that of emotional moralizing. -- Rich Kulawiec pucc-j!rsk or rsk@asc.purdue.edu