Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!brahms!weemba From: weemba@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Matthew P. Wiener) Newsgroups: net.crypt Subject: Re: Enigma and the Eastern Front Message-ID: <12305@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Mon, 10-Mar-86 15:35:58 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.12305 Posted: Mon Mar 10 15:35:58 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 12-Mar-86 05:45:05 EST References: <12202@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <12213@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: weemba@brahms.UUCP (Matthew P. Wiener) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 31 Keywords: References In article <12284@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> tedrick@ernie.berkeley.edu.UUCP (Tom Tedrick) writes: >From "Alan Turing the enigma" by Andrew Hodges, > Simon and Schuster, 1983 (hardcover) Considering that I read the book and reread the WWII chapters, I'm surprised I didn't remember the reference. I was definitely surprised then at the assertion. Hodges gives NO references. But it does seem true, so I would like to know how much a role Ultra actually played in the Eastern Front. For example, did Ultra detect troop movements that partisans did not? In the West, Ultra gave the generals very detailed information during the battles: exact troop counts and whereabouts. How about the East? And did the Soviets break Enigma on their own? >(By the way I hate the word "cryptology". I have never been >able to get used to it. I grew up with the word "cryptography" >and am too used to it to change. I think the new terminology >has some point to it, but I also think it introduces a new >level of jargon into the subject that doesn't really serve >to aid a deep understanding. In fact I am inclined to think >it was introduced by mediocrities who had nothing better to >contribute to the field.) Too bad, Tom. That's been the correct terminology for quite a long time and has all the force of correct etymology behind it. I'll look up the reference in Kahn, but I believe it was introduced by an expert cryptologist. People serious about their subject tend to be serious about their neologisms. Deep understanding? It makes it clear what one is talking about. Nothing mediocre about that. Perhaps you are misled by the fact that the NSA only admits to doing cryptography. ucbvax!brahms!weemba Matthew P Wiener/UCB Math Dept/Berkeley CA 94720