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From: good@pixar (Craig Good: U.S. Olympic Pizza Eating Team)
Newsgroups: net.jobs
Subject: Re: Urinalysis...Lie Detectors...all the new rage?
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Date: Sun, 16-Mar-86 00:05:09 EST
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Posted: Sun Mar 16 00:05:09 1986
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In article <1099@unc.unc.UUCP>, palistra@unc.UUCP (James C. Palistrant) writes:
> In article <2547@pixar.pixar> good@pixar (Craig Craig, Bo-Baig, Banana-Fana Fo-Faig, Me-My-Mo-Maig, Craig.) writes:

> >	I'm not telling you not to do drugs, I'm just telling you that if you
> >do you can't work for me.  I see nothing unfair about that.
> 
> Hmm. I certainly hope Craig doesn't smoke (tobacco, that is).  Or chew
> it.  Or drink any form of alcohol.  Or drink coffee in the morning (or any
> time of day; the time of day is irrelevant).  He better not do ANY kind of 
> drugs, be they legal and common or illegal and uncommon, or else he is saying 
> that as an employer he would not want someone like him to work for him.  

I was going to let this die, but since you brought it up... I don't do any kind
of drugs.  Well -- let me qualify that.  I have used medicinal drugs such as
aspirin and Afrin, and I got allergy shots for a couple of years as a teenager.
I hope it's obvious that we are talking about abuse, ie: recreational use, of
drugs.  To specifically answer your questions, I do not drink alchohol, coffee,
tea, caffeinated soft drinks, or drano.  I do not chew tobacco nor do I place
rolls of rotten, burning vegetable matter in my mouth.  I am forced to inhale
the by-products only when smokers mistakenly think it is somehow their "right"
to light up in the same atmosphere with other human beings.

> and then implies that people with drug habits to not meet this criteria.  

A lot depends on the job.  If I were hiring a receptionist I would also flunk
people who don't take baths.

> I have the following points I wish to make:
> 
> 1.) Assuming he most likely means "illegal drugs" when he mentions drugs, I
> 	 think he is making an unfair and untrue generalization when he implies
> 	 that people that do drugs are not smart, responsible and honest

Wrong assumption.  I certainly would include the abuse of alchohol and other
"legal" drugs.  Hey, what can I say?  I'd make one picky employer.
You can go work for someone else if you want, nobody is going to hold a gun to
your head and tell you to get a job with me.

> 	 some people can and do imbibe in illegal drugs in a responsible
> 	 manner.

That's your opinion.  Mine is that it is not possible to take drugs
recreationally and still claim to be a responsible member of society.

> 	A basic problem with taking a law and making moral judgements with it is that
> 	 the legality of an act and its morality cannot be linked, since legality
> 	 can be judged in a court of law and morality cannot (at least in my 
> 	 opinion).

I've heard the old "you can't legislate morality" argument before.  I'll
counter with a question:  What can you legislate that *isn't* a moral
question?	( Shouldn't this be moving to another news group?)

> 3.) He seems to be making a moral judgement rather than a professional one
> 	 throughout his posting.  

If I based part of my life on my morals and part of my life on another standard
such as "professionalism" I would be a hypocrite, wouldn't I?.

> I feel that what I do on my time is my own business.  If my job performance 
> suffers because of it, then I expect to pay the consequences.  I would not 
> want any employer of mine testing me for drug usage, not because I use drugs
> (I do not, at least the illegal kind :-) ), but because I am a professional, 
> act like a professional and expect to be treated as a professional.
> 

I would expect professional behaviour as well.  Telling me in an interview that
you don't do drugs and then testing positive would not be very professional on
your part, would it?  I'm not necessarily advocating testing.  If managers
would wake up and do their jobs they wouldn't need drug testing anyway.  They'd
know what they need to know.

Well, enough of this.  I'll be quiet for a while unless someone *else* would
like some details on my private life.	:-)

		--Craig
		...ucbvax!pixar!good

Don't do drugs!  Go to a movie instead!