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From: smkindersley@watdragon.UUCP (sumo kindersley)
Newsgroups: net.kids
Subject: Re: teens
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Date: Tue, 11-Mar-86 18:16:11 EST
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Posted: Tue Mar 11 18:16:11 1986
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	good GRIEF! talk about self righteous!

the 18 year old's response was terrible, in my opinion. she said some very
good things (e.g. "sex does not define a close relationship" and that the
lines of communication must be opened and kept open by the mother). but the
incredible arrogance of deciding that any girl who has sex, or uses liquor
or drugs is irresponsible - i have only heard that kind of gall from extreme
religious types. which she isn't, clearly, or she would show some charity
even for those she considers inferior to her. she claimed that "there are 
basically two kinds of teenage girls", that is, "intelligent, mature,
and moral" (like herself), and the "hopeless" girls who "see no wrong in a
little good sex". there are many other types - including those who have a
relationship with some commitment and also enjoy the closeness of a sexual
relationship, for instance.

whoever it was that posted the request in the first place, i advise you to
IGNORE that attitude problem of the 18 year old's and follow her advice on
a good overall book, and making sure that communication on this subject is
encouraged. AS WELL, please make sure that your daughter understands the
availability and NECESSITY of birth control methods if she does decide to
have sex. do not alienate her by adopting the above-criticised attitude.

my mother had an attitude like that of the 18yr old's posting. as a result
she never knew me after i started making my own decisions about that sort
of matter. now she is dead and she never did get my trust or confidence as
an adult. i prefer the attitude of my father after my mother was gone. he
didn't like the idea of us sleeping with someone outside of marriage, and
we knew that, but was willing to allow us the right to our own decisions.
as a result we didn't have to hide things from him.

and... why does a "mature" 18 year old refer to herself and what are
obviously women as "girls"?