Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: notesfiles Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!decwrl!pyramid!pesnta!hplabs!hp-pcd!uoregon!mward From: mward@uoregon.UUCP (mward) Newsgroups: net.math Subject: Re: Groups, Alternative Definitions? Message-ID: <139800005@uoregon.UUCP> Date: Fri, 7-Mar-86 20:06:00 EST Article-I.D.: uoregon.139800005 Posted: Fri Mar 7 20:06:00 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 12-Mar-86 21:55:22 EST References: <370@ihnet.UUCP> Organization: Univ of Oregon - Eugene, OR Lines: 20 Nf-ID: #R:ihnet:-37000:uoregon:139800005:000:893 Nf-From: uoregon!mward Mar 7 17:06:00 1986 Re: Groups, Alternative Definitions? Definitions 2 and 4 are not equivalent to the definition of a group. Here's a well-known example (see, for instance, Fraleigh's abstract algebra book): Let S be the set of nonzero real numbers and for a and b in S define a*b to be |a| times b ( |a| = absolute value of a ). This operation is well-defined and associative. Furthermore, it satisfies Definition 2 (take E = 1 and Y = |X|^(-1) ). However, we can readily check that (S,*) is not a group. For the only values of E for which E*X = X for all X in S are E = 1 or E = -1. Neither value satisfies X*E = X for all X in S (for E = 1, take any X < 0 and for E = -1, take any X > 0). Thus, (S,*) has no identity and is not a group. Michael Ward UUCP . . .!tektronix!uoregon!mward University of CSNET mward@uoregon Oregon