Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!brahms!weemba From: weemba@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Matthew P. Wiener) Newsgroups: net.math,net.philosophy Subject: Re: Tarski's definition of truth Message-ID: <12454@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Mon, 17-Mar-86 04:25:05 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.12454 Posted: Mon Mar 17 04:25:05 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 18-Mar-86 07:14:07 EST References: <12411@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: weemba@brahms.UUCP (Matthew P. Wiener) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 47 Xref: watmath net.math:2979 net.philosophy:4500 In article <12411@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> tedrick@ernie.berkeley.edu (Tom Tedrick) writes: >Can someone explain Tarski's definition of truth to me? I'll give it a shot. >In the last graduate course in mathematical logic that I >took, many years ago (which convinced me that mathematical >logic was not the field for me), I remember Prof. Vaught >walking up and down in front of the class, saying >"The statement 'Grass is green' is true iff grass is green", >and smiling a funny smile. Two points. First truth in logic refers to truth in some model. Not to any absolute truth. Second, any logical sentence can be broken down into well determined atomic formulas. Each of these atomic formulas has a definite truth value within the model. (That's what makes them atomic.) Any logical sentence can be broken down into it's atomic parts, and they are then checked in the model in question, and put back together by following the meaning of the logical symbols joining the atomic statements. The statement "'Grass is green' is true iff grass is green" is a standard way of illustrating the process I just outlined where the model is by default the real world. Prof. Vaught smiled because it is humorous. >It was especially disturbing to me because I had spent a month >the previous summer convincing myself that I could prove that >it was impossible to define truth ... That refers to Tarski's famous theorem about truth. This refers specificly to number theory, and says no formula in the language of Peano Arithmetic can capture the essence of truth for the standard model of Peano Arithmetic. There are, in contrast, non-standard models of Peano Arithmetic which have internal truth definitions. Too bad Prof. Vaught didn't cover this theorem. (Usually done right after you finish Godel's first incompleness theorem.) Because he would have then smiled and told you that Tarski's other great accomplishment, in addition to defining truth, was his proving the undefinability of truth. ucbvax!brahms!weemba Matthew P Wiener/UCB Math Dept/Berkeley CA 94720