Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucsfcgl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!ucsfcgl!arnold From: arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (Ken Arnold%CGL) Newsgroups: net.nlang Subject: Re: "he or she" - a grammatical problem solved Message-ID: <788@ucsfcgl.UUCP> Date: Mon, 10-Mar-86 19:50:14 EST Article-I.D.: ucsfcgl.788 Posted: Mon Mar 10 19:50:14 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 14-Mar-86 03:37:42 EST References: <2859@amdahl.UUCP> <830@cylixd.UUCP> <978@h-sc1.UUCP> Reply-To: arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (Ken Arnold) Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab Lines: 58 In article <978@h-sc1.UUCP> breuel@h-sc1.UUCP (thomas breuel) writes: >Why is 'he' for a person of unknown gender likely to offend the reader? >Why don't you just consider 'he' the singular pronoun of unknown gender? Because it isn't. [Proof included below] Oh, I know that's what you were told, but that will teach you to pay attention to proscriptive grammarians. What they usually tell you is something like If the gender of an individual referred to is unknown or unknowable (i.e., no specific person is referred to), use "he" or the appropriate equivalent. This would describe a non-gender related word. However, try out the following sentences: When a nurse receives a call, he should ... When a secretary answers a phone, he should ... Do you know anyone who would say that, even in formal situations? I have yet to run into one. Everyone I know finds these sentences sound incorrect, and would use "she" instead. The only reason imaginable is that the word "he" is *not* generic. If it was, the above fragments would sound quite reasonable. So why don't they? Well, the reason is that the word "nurse" comes with a lot of implications and associated concepts, as do all words. One of those concepts is that nurses are usually women. Now, the sentence isn't going to sound wrong unless something in there contradicts a normal assumption. This contradiction occurs when the word "he" pops in. But, if the word "he" was generic (and the context of the sentence makes clear that the speaker is talking generically), it would not come with any inference which *contradicted* the presumed womanhood of "nurse" -- it would come with inference which implied, at most, personhood. So, in order to get the problem, the word "he" must, *even in a generic context*, come with an inference which contradicts the presumed womanhood of "nurse", i.e., it *must* come with a inference of male-ness. In fact, there is no such thing as a generic singular pronoun for referring to humans in English. "He" certainly doesn't make it, neither does "she", and you've run out. Any descriptive grammarian worth his or her salt would say something more like If a generic descriptor is needed, the feminine form is used if it fits with the situation described or implied better than a masculine form, otherwise the masculine form is used. That is much closer to how things are done in English today (at least American English; my pool of British subjects contains only one person). Ken Arnold P.S. Nothing in the letter is intended to imply that I think there are no male nurses or secretaries, or that I think there should not be. I know that there are, and I think that there aren't enough. I use them as example because of their common inference that holders of these positions are, for the most part, women.