Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!brahms!desj From: desj@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (David desJardins) Newsgroups: net.puzzle,net.philosophy Subject: Re: Newcomb's Paradox Message-ID: <12539@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Fri, 21-Mar-86 19:05:19 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.12539 Posted: Fri Mar 21 19:05:19 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 22-Mar-86 23:03:12 EST References: <12518@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: desj@brahms.UUCP (David desJardins) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 37 Xref: watmath net.puzzle:1539 net.philosophy:4579 I am keeping this in net.philosophy because that seems much more relevant to what I have to say (and because I want to see the responses and can't stand to read net.puzzle); in particular I want to discuss the value of rational thought. I would be willing to believe that with sufficient knowledge of the state of my brain a sufficiently resourceful opponent could indeed predict with high probability my response to this situation (given sufficient evidence to this effect). I also believe that the rational course of behavior is to take both boxes. Certainly this maximizes your expected yield in the given situation. But, as I noted, I do expect to get only $1000 this way. The only way to "win" this game is to make the (conscious or unconscious) decision *in advance* to take only the one box. In fact, no matter what your choice at the actual event, you are always at least as well off to have been committed beforehand to take only the one box! Nevertheless, to take only one box is by its nature an *irrational* decision. Not irrational in terms of results, but irrational when contrasted with desirable behavior in other circumstances. So essentially you have to decide, *in advance*, that you are going to make an irrational decision in certain circumstances. This advance decision is, in itself, rational, since its result can be foreseen to be favorable. But it represents a compromise. Such a movement away from rationality has its own costs in all sorts of other situations. I personally place such a high value on rational behavior that I consider the cost to be too great. I admit that this something of a cop-out, in that my unwillingness to make this compromise is largely based on my low estimate of the probability of such a situation. Suppose our society gave this test to every individual at a certain age. Then the compromise would certainly be worthwhile. Even the known existence of such a precogniter might sway me; I don't know. All I know is that at the moment I am not willing to make this compromise with irrationality. -- David desJardins