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From: orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER)
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Subject: Re: Re: Democratic Rights and Property :re to Tanenbaum
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Date: Thu, 6-Mar-86 15:55:32 EST
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> OK, let me clarify:  The owners don't want such use of their property
> because it alienates shoppers.  Being forced to allow their property's
> being used in such a manner reduces their profits from shoppers, thus
> making them lose money.
> 
> I cannot imagine a shopper who buys one product in preference to another
> because the product is advertised with an advertisement that says nothing
> about the product itself or the product's price.  Yet such ads obviously
> are effective.  Other shoppers often do things for reasons that you or I
> might not.
> -- 
> Kenneth Arromdee                                               |      |
 
1)I may not agree with the American Nazi party as they march through
  Skokie.  Does this give me the right to censor their opinions?
  Freedom of speech involves some amount of irritation.  If this
  becomes excessive or obnoxious then some control may be needed.
  In the New York Supreme Court case banning leafletting
  in New York malls, the court itself agreed that leafletters 
  were unobtrusive.
 
2)Please present some evidence that leafletting in malls is either
  disliked or reduces profits for the mall.  My own personal
  experience was that several people commended me for concern
  about the arms race.  You will have to counter this evidence.
  As I mentioned previously a discussion
  with one person who disagreed with my position ended with his
  support for everyone's right to express their views in America,
  regardless of what they were.  I support the right of Nazis
  as well as all groups to disseminate their views.  That is
  what freedom of speech is all about!
 
3)Shopping mall managers seem to have no qualms about stores 
  distributing advertising leaflets on cars or within the malls
  themselves.  Are advertising leaflets somehow "less obtrusive"
  or less detracting to customers?  I cannot believe so.
 
  It still baffles me how supposed "Libertarians" "propertarians"
  "Objectivists" or whatever can be so eager to deny basic
  Constitutional rights!
        tim sevener   whuxn!orb