Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 Tandy Xenix 02/17/86; site gilbbs.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!ittatc!dcdwest!sdcsvax!ncr-sd!hp-sdd!hplabs!qantel!ptsfa!gilbbs!mc68020 From: mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Tom Keller) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: CIA Message-ID: <44@gilbbs.UUCP> Date: Fri, 7-Mar-86 05:27:32 EST Article-I.D.: gilbbs.44 Posted: Fri Mar 7 05:27:32 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 10-Mar-86 06:07:32 EST References: <1517@decwrl.DEC.COM> Organization: Gil's Place, Santa Rosa CA Lines: 63 Summary: what's fat for the goose is fat for the gander, friend In article <1517@decwrl.DEC.COM>, mahoney@bach.DEC writes: > > ---------------------Reply to mail dated 2-MAR-1986 21:49--------------------- > > I believe that the CIA has the right to collect information. (Euphemism for > steal :-) That is what there job is. Oh, come now. If the C.I.A. has the right to steal information elsewhere, then why do the "intelligence" agencies of other nations not have the right to steal information here? Think of the outrage we as Amercians feel when a major espionage ring is uncovered. Furthermore, when our C.I.A. people seduce someone in another nation into betraying their country, we think of this as a pretty good trick, but if their side seduces one of *OUR* people, why, their side is playing dirty, and the person they seduced is considered scum. Fascinating double standard. > They don't have the right to destablize > governments or the right to assisinate leaders of governments. Ah, but they *DO* have the right. More importantly than the right, they have the power and the intent. Even more importantly, they exercise it. > I think that > people in our country who "turn coat" should go to jail and depending on the > sensitivity of what they gave out should determine the time in jail. Obviously so, though I question tying sentence duration to perceived sensitivity. If one were to judge on the basis of classification status, some pretty ridiculous things could wind up being considered awfully sensitive. > Depending > on who is doing the spying for them they should be either put in jail or > if covered by diplomatic immunity they should be expelled. They should also > be watched to make sure they are not gathering information on people in the US. > That job if neccessary should be left to the FBI. I think that the CIA's > actions in Nicaraguia go far beyond what there bounds of power should be. > > Personally from what I have read and heard I see the CIA as bungelers. If > you are going to assisinate someone don't let people find out. (Remember > Allende). It also is not smart to let people know that you are out righting > pamphlets that tell people how to fight guerrilla war far using terrorist > actions. I admit some of these problems are caused by the freedoms that the > press in the US has. This in itself means that the CIA will be much more in > the public eye then other intelligence organizations and as such must work > with higher standards. Well, Brian, we agree that the C.I.A. are bunglers, at the least. However, it would appear for the remainder of your paragraph (I'm not going to flame you over grammar and spelling, am I? No, I'm not, but I *OUGHT* to!) that you essentially believe that the biggest blunder the C.I.A. has made is getting caught, not breaking the law, or violating simple ethical standards. Hmmm... -- ==================================== Disclaimer: I hereby disclaim any and all responsibility for disclaimers. tom keller {ihnp4, dual}!ptsfa!gilbbs!mc68020 (* we may not be big, but we're small! *)