Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site mtuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!mtuxn!gdf From: gdf@mtuxn.UUCP (G.FERRAIOLO) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-ID: <720@mtuxn.UUCP> Date: Mon, 10-Mar-86 18:30:14 EST Article-I.D.: mtuxn.720 Posted: Mon Mar 10 18:30:14 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 11-Mar-86 19:27:29 EST References: <1466@decwrl.DEC.COM>, <34@gilbbs.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Holmdel NJ Lines: 103 >In article <1466@decwrl.DEC.COM>, simon@elwood.DEC (Product Safety 237-3521) writes: >> With this posting I am saying Goodbye to this net.group. But it's not >> that I am changing jobs or anything like that. For the last few months >> I just get sick and tired of reading the articles written by people who >> know next to nothing about what they are writing. I am talking about >> people who would be much better off in the Soviet Union then in a >> democratic country. People who compare everyday abuses of human rights >> [many lines of blather deleted] >> Many years ago Lenin said about people like these: "We need useful >> idiots in the West. They will do more damage to capitalist countries >> then we can". He was right. Here on this net.group there are more >> people like that then in any place else. I have been living in the USA >> for four years now and have not met personally anybody with so >> pro-Soviet views. But here on net.politics.... >> [many lines of blather deleted] >> the subject that is close to me. A few months of going through this >> again is enough. This time I am quitting for good. > It strikes me that this represents no loss to the net.group, or to >the net as a whole. It never ceases to amaze me how right-wing idiots >equate criticism of the United States with Soviet sympathy. How charming! After being told that a person who has a great deal to contribute to the discussion is withdrawing due to the high stupidity level, the response is more insults. > I deplore and reject the support that the Reagan administration is lending >to the Contra rebels. Therefore, I *MUST* be a supporter of the Sandinista >regime, right? ***WRONG*** I simply believe that *WE* have no business >in there at all! Who is a supporter of the Sandinistas? Is it a convinced Marxist-Leninist? Or what? Frankly, WHO CARES? The actions you propose (inaction) are highly favorable to the Sandinistas. Therefore, you are "supporting" them, no matter what your personal politcal views. If you believe that we have no 'business in there', great. I assume you feel that the USSR has no business there either. Unfortunately, both the US and the USSR are involved. I'm sorry that we don't live in a world that accords with your moral principles. Given that, what is your solution? Do nothing? Ever? > The Soviets invade Afghanistan, and I argue that what the Soviets are doing >is no worse than what we did in Viet Nam, Grenada, etc. Therefore, I *MUST* >be a Soviet sympathizer, right? ***WRONG*** I simply believe that if this >nation reserves the right to invade and interfere with the internal workings >of other nations, for reasons of political convenience, then we *AS A NATION* >have no right to complain when other nations do the same! Stretching it a little bit including Grenada aren't you? I mean, the people of Grenada seem to really _like_ Ronald Reagan. My personal 'take' on the Vietnam-Afghanistan issue is that the crimes the US was accused of in Vietnam (often falsely), the USSR commits in Afghanistan. You aren't going to compare tear gas to nerve gas, are you? MAJOR POINT: The world wide level of protest against the USSR war in Afghanistan is about 1/10 the level of the protest against the Vietnam war. > In fairness, left-wing idiots make the same errors, when people disagree >with them. Amazing, how much the same they are, isn't it? To be really fair, you should condemn both the US and Germany. After all, Germany invaded France in 1940. The US invaded France in 1944. Aren't these equivalent? Does that make sense? Evil is helped when a false neutrality fails to even _say_ that evil is evil. Too much attention paid to the external forms (soldiers enter France) ignores the reality of what is happening (enslavement versus liberation). >> >> --- >> Leo Simon >> >> Digital Equipment Corp. >> 333 South St. >> Shrewsbury MA, 01545 >> >> (617)841-3521 >> DTN 237-3521 >> Mail Stop SHR-4/D26 >> >> (UUCP) {decvax, ucbvax, allegra}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-elwood!simon >> (ARPA) simon%elwood.DEC@decwrl.ARPA >> >> You realize of course that all of the above does not have anything to >> do with my employer. >-- >==================================== >Disclaimer: I hereby disclaim and and all responsibility for disclaimers. >tom keller >{ihnp4, dual}!ptsfa!gilbbs!mc68020 >(* we may not be big, but we're small! *) Guy dis' claimer: I'm not claiming anything. The _other_ claimer says he's got a gold strike. (pun)