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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
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Subject: Re: Reagan a pathological liar:re to Cramer
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> Clayton Cramer tried to defend Reagan's gross disregard for the truth
> by simply lumping him with all politicians.  Certainly one must

Bullshit, Tim.  Read what I wrote.  I wasn't defending Reagan's disregard
for the truth -- I was pointing out that he's a politician, and that some
of your assertions of his dishonesty were incorrect.

He's at least as honest as you are, Tim.  I'm getting tired of your
misrepresenting what people say -- especially when you misrepresent
what I said.  I did not "defend" Reagan -- I disagreed with you.

> *always* be skeptical about politicians - they all tend to mislead
> and be loose with the truth.  But Reagan's distortions of the truth
> are of a totally different character.  The few examples I listed of

No they aren't.  They are completely typical.  You just don't have
the hatred for the others that you have for Reagan.  (Does he remind
you of your father?)

> Reagan's distortions are simply a *few* of his more outlandish 
> misstatements of fact.  Just last week one of Reagan's lies was
> captured graphically on videotape, making it very hard to refute.
> Here are excerpts from the report in the Newark Star-Ledger:
>     
>     "Sons of bitches" said Reagan after reporters had been ushered
>     from the Cabinet Room where the President had been questioned
>     about the political turmoil in the Philipines.
>        Later, as he left for his Camp David retreat in Maryland,
>     Reagan was asked by reporters whom he had in mind, and he 
>     replied, "I thought it was one of you saying it about us."
>     When that was greeted by a good-natured chorus of "No", the
>     President, smiling, said, "It wasn't me."
>     Aides said Reagan did not recall making the remark nor hearing
>     anyone else make it.
>        But the phrase was clearly audible on the sound system and
>     United Press International verified that it was Reagan who made
>     the remark by viewing a tape made available by CBS, the only
>     network that had a camera on Reagan at the time.
>        .....
>        Deputy White House press secretary Larry Speakes said,
>     "He doesn't recall saying it.  If he said it," Speakes joked,
>     "he said, 'It's sunny and you're rich'.
>  
> It is typical that Reagan simply "doesn't remember" making such
> a remark 5 minutes after it  happened, and smiles as he lies
> about having said it.
> Sad to say I can only conclude the man is a pathological liar.
> 
>      tim sevener  whuxn!orb


It is typical of slimy politicians of all sorts, and people in
general, that they claim memory loss about embarassing statements.
This doesn't make him a pathological liar -- just a typical dishonest
person.

Tim: Have you thought about therapy to resolve why your hatred for
Reagan makes you treat him so differently from other people of
comparable honesty and integrity?