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From: ins_akaa@jhunix.UUCP (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Re: Democratic Rights and Property :re to Tanenbaum
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Date: Sun, 9-Mar-86 12:54:44 EST
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Posted: Sun Mar  9 12:54:44 1986
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Reply-To: ins_akaa@jhunix.ARPA (Ken Arromdee)
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>> OK, let me clarify:  The owners don't want such use of their property
>> because it alienates shoppers.  Being forced to allow their property's
>> being used in such a manner reduces their profits from shoppers, thus
>> making them lose money.
>> 
>> I cannot imagine a shopper who buys one product in preference to another
>> because the product is advertised with an advertisement that says nothing
>> about the product itself or the product's price.  Yet such ads obviously
>> are effective.  Other shoppers often do things for reasons that you or I
>> might not.
>> Kenneth Arromdee

>1)I may not agree with the American Nazi party... Does this give me the right
>to censor their opinions?... the court itself agreed that leafletters 
>were unobtrusive.

It's not "censoring opinions"--you can express those opinions elsewhere.
In the USSR, this is not possible.

>2)Please present some evidence that leafletting in malls is either
>  disliked or reduces profits for the mall.  My own personal
>  experience was that several people commended me for concern
>  about the arms race.  You will have to counter this evidence.

First, people who don't like the leafletting are not likely to complain
about it.  (Who are they going to complain to?  And about what?)
And the owners of the mall have made the judgement that in general, shoppers
will not go to the mall as much if the leaflets are given out.  If the
owners are mistaken about this, their mistake will result in loss of money
by them, and eventually they will have to change their policy.
Yes, I am saying to trust the owners in their judgement of shopkeepers'
preferences--after all, if they're wrong, they'll feel it in their pocketbook.

>3)Shopping mall managers seem to have no qualms about stores 
>  distributing advertising leaflets on cars or within the malls
>  themselves.  Are advertising leaflets somehow "less obtrusive"
>  or less detracting to customers?  I cannot believe so.

It's quite possible customers might dislike advertising leaflets less than
they do political pamphlets.  As I have pointed out before, customers
may do things for illogical reasons, and this is not even that illogical,
since the customer preference is based upon the type of content of the
leaflets-- advertising vs. politics.

>        tim sevener   whuxn!orb
-- 
"We are going to give a little something, a few little years more, to
socialism, because socialism is defunct.  It dies all by iself.  The bad thing
is that socialism, being a victim of its... Did I say socialism?" -Fidel Castro

Kenneth Arromdee
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