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From: cs111olg@ucla-cs.UUCP
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Subject: Re: In the Name of God
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Date: Fri, 14-Mar-86 02:48:04 EST
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Posted: Fri Mar 14 02:48:04 1986
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In article <724@mtuxn.UUCP> gdf@mtuxn.UUCP (G.FERRAIOLO) writes:
>Re: The Ukraine.  The reason you don't know about what happened in the
>Ukraine in 1929-1931 is that the so-called moralists who are so concerned
>with human rights don't want to let you know that during those years
>the Communist Party of the Soviet Union created an artificial famine
>in the Ukraine.  The usual estimate is that 6 to 7 million people starved
>to death.  Incidentally, the Ukraine produced plenty of grain during those
>years.  It was stolen by the CP-SU. 
>
>Never heard of it, eh?  I guess that's the problem I'm talking about.
>If everyone knew about this, it might make people think that the USSR
>is a dangerous country.  Of course I'm a fascist.

Altho' not officially advertized or even admitted, in Soviet Union MOST
people know (some remember) the tragedy of Ukraine and lower Volga basin.
WHY Soviet Government starved the local population is quite plain and
clear. The areas were known to be areas of popular disagreement with
policies of collectivization, "trobule makers" and "bandits". 

Heavily armed raid brigades had combed through the countryside, taking
every grain they could find and arresting farmers who had not surrendered
their crops voluntarily. Next spring, even the collective farm ("colkhoz")
members had trouble finding enough to plant. The confiscations were quite
arbitrary and unreasonable. There was a clear evidence that the Government
was trying to "break" the people in the area....

3 years of confiscations, numerous bloody confrontations had "pacified"
the land. Ukraine was "broken". So was the rest of the country. All the
best and most productive farmers were either dead or "building a better 
future" on the other side of the Ural mountains....

When the Nazi troops were marching through Ukraine, peasants cheered
and threw flowers to the German troops. They were selebrating their
liberation. They co-operated willingly and gladly. They thought NOTHING 
could have been worse than 20+ years of "Dictatorship of the Proletariat".
Little did they know.....
					Oleg Kiselev
					ucla-cs!oac6.oleg