Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mmm.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mmm!mrgofor From: mrgofor@mmm.UUCP (MKR) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Reagan and Alternatives:re to jj Message-ID: <611@mmm.UUCP> Date: Fri, 14-Mar-86 13:55:10 EST Article-I.D.: mmm.611 Posted: Fri Mar 14 13:55:10 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 17-Mar-86 22:20:15 EST References: <155@jc3b21.UUCP> <1405@mhuxt.UUCP> <560@whuts.UUCP> Reply-To: mrgofor@mmm.UUCP (MKR) Organization: none Lines: 52 In article <703@mtuxn.UUCP> gdf@mtuxn.UUCP (G.FERRAIOLO) writes: >as they have tried to do to so many others. But the PEOPLE, that's >right, the PEOPLE of this country hate and fear Communism. And it is >a well-founded and proper hate and fear. That is the normal reaction >to evil. > >Guy Communism is evil? I hear this kind of rhetoric all over, and I've never really understood it. Communism is an economic system. It is not necessarily totalitarian - any more or less than capitalism is. So, Guy, please enlighten me - how is communism "evil". Remember to restrict yourself to communism - not to totalitarianism - they are separate issues, and evil totalitarian governments are quite common amongst non-commies, too. It seems to me that communism is just an economic system - and an inferior one at that. In a non-biased comparison with capitalism, it loses every time in just about every respect. If it were not supported by a totalitarian government, it would have died out amongst developed nations long ago. It seems to me that the only people *really* interested in communism are poor people who have been continually screwed by the upper classes. I don't think we need to fight communism - we just need to hold it up next to capitalism and let people judge. (I was just watching a Russian TV program on PBS - they were celebrating the manufacture of the 4 millionth refrigerator in the USSR. The only reason they were so proud of it was that they didn't know how many refrigerators *we* have produced.) It is totalitarianism and censorship that we need to fight. I can't really even see the USSR as communist - the just have different Czars now, but it's still a pretty aristocratic place. When people like Reagan make the implicit assumption that we must fight communism, I wonder two things: 1) why? what if the Nicaraguans *want* to be communists? Who are we to tell them what form of government they can choose for themselves? Does their embrace of communism necessarily mean that they are a threat to us, or are allied with Moscow? Why can't we deal with them in whatever form of government they choose? and 2) does he *mean* communism, or does he mean totalitarianism. Unfortunately, I think he usually means totalitarianism, but only of the commie type - the other type is just fine. Anyway, Guy, I really *am* interested in hearing your explanation of exactly what it is about communism that's *evil*. Please tell us. -- --MKR Sometimes even the President of the United States must have to stand naked. - Dylan