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From: hijab@cad.UUCP (Raif Hijab)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Sinking of the Liberty
Message-ID: <102@cad.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 16-Mar-86 15:05:22 EST
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Posted: Sun Mar 16 15:05:22 1986
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Summary: Is it the singer or the song?

In article <3363@sun.uucp>, cramer@sun.uucp (Sam Cramer) writes:
> First, let's recall one thing: Raif's interest in the affair is only in
> how it can be used to discredit Israel.  He clearly gives not a whit
> for the American lives involved, as he has already treated us to a 
> lengthy rationale for anti-American terror:
> 
> 	"It is important to realize that the targeting of Americans by
> 	Palestinian terrorists stems from the identification of the U.S.
> 	with every atrocity commited by Israel.  The Palestinian 
> 	people know the extent of financial, military and political
> 	support Israel gets from the U.S..."
> 
> 	and "The U.S. is implicated directly in the terror..."
> 
> In other words, the next time the PLO murders an elderly American 
> invalid and dumps the body out of his wheelchair into the sea,
> America is the real villian.
> 

Instead of focusing on the issues I am presenting, Mr. Cramer insists
on attacking my ethics and concern for American lives. It should be 
clear from my posting that I am discussing the motivations behind
terrorist actions. I am neither advocating nor approving of terror,
whatever its source.

> In his posting Mr. Hijab quotes approvingly from Ennes' book
> "Assault on the Liberty".   In these quotes Ennes alleges that Israel
> secretly persued a policy of expansion in June 1967 under the guise of
> self-defense.
> 

Since I am interested in informational content, I see no point in further
defending my point. I believe netters can discern for themselves by
referring to my original posting, or better yet, to the references
I cited. They can judge for themselves the weight or lack thereof of
the evidence mentioned. For those who may want to pursue this, the
two references I quoted are:
	
	(1)   "Assault on the Liberty," by James M. Ennes Jr.,
	      Random House, New York, 1979.

	(2)   "The Zionist Connection II," by Alfred Lilienthal,
	      North American, New Brunswick, 1982.

> 
> Gibberish like this sheds little light on the fate of the USS Liberty.
> -- 

If a first-hand account by an officer who was on the Liberty at the time
it was attacked is gibberish, I am not sure what isn't.


BTW, In you are interested in the difficulties faced by American critics
of Israel , such as Ennes and Lilienthal, I suggest you look up the book
by ex-congressman Paul Findley, "They Dare to Speak Out" (Lawerence Hill
& Co., Westport, CT. 1985). The book speaks of the targeting by AIPAC
(American-Israel Public Affairs Committee) and ADL (B'nai Brith Anti-
Defamation League) of such people as former senator Adlai Stevenson III,
former chairmen of the Senate Foreign Relations Comittee William Fullbright
and Charles Percy and former undersecretary of state George Ball. Others
in disfavor include Jewish leader Philip Klutznik, journalist Georgie Anne
Geyer, dean of Washington's National Cathedral Francis Sayre, as well as
Findley, Ennes and Lilienthal.