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From: cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
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Subject: Re: Reagan a pathological liar:re to Cramer
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Date: Mon, 17-Mar-86 13:09:05 EST
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> In article <588@kontron.UUCP> cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> > You just don't have the hatred for the others that you have for Reagan.
> > (Does he remind you of your father?)
> > ...
> > Tim: Have you thought about therapy...
> 
> Clayton, do you think you can outgrow the third grade taunts?
> You owe us all an apology for this sort of assinine tactic.
> 

This is no "third grade taunt" -- I honestly believe that Sevener's 
quite obsessive hatred of Reagan to the point that he is UNABLE to
see that Reagan is like most other politicians smacks of someone who
needs to resolve his emotional problems.

Reagan is not someone I would trust to tell the truth -- he's told plenty
of lies.  But he's no different than a lot of other politicians in that
respect.  Where are Sevener's postings about them?  I maintain that
Sevener is obsessive about Reagan.

> > It is typical of slimy politicians of all sorts, and people in
> > general, that they claim memory loss about embarassing statements.
> > This doesn't make [Reagan] a pathological liar -- just a typical
> > dishonest person.
> 
> All you've done here is claimed that both pathological liars and
> normal people share these characteristics.  You haven't ruled out that
> Reagan is a pathological liar; indeed you haven't differentiated between
> pathological liars and normal people in any way.  By this same sort of
> argument you'd probably refuse to recognize any diagnosis of mental disease
> which you didn't like.
> 

Sevener's original posting indicated that Reagan denying an embarrassing
statement marked Reagan as a pathological liar.  My response was to make
it clear that this is a common action -- to claim that Reagan's actions
in that particular case makes Reagan a pathological liar is not true.

> Personally, I don't think Reagan is a pathological liar: instead I think
> he is a skilled, manipulative, controlled liar.  I don't like either type
> in the Oval office.  I think that Reagan is worse than any other president
> in my lifetime (excepting perhaps Nixon.)
> 

I think Reagan is the best President I can remember.  (I would say he is
doing a mediocre to fair job.)

> 
> Mike Huybensz		...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh

Clayton Cramer