Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!tl-20b.arpa!FIRTH From: FIRTH@TL-20B.ARPA Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Red Sirius? Message-ID: <8603111652.AA09647@s1-b.arpa> Date: Tue, 11-Mar-86 10:37:58 EST Article-I.D.: s1-b.8603111652.AA09647 Posted: Tue Mar 11 10:37:58 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 14-Mar-86 03:34:59 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 38 [sounds like a character from an S&S tale!] Just thought I'd make a few points (1) Why did the ancients refer to Sirius as "red"? The obvious reason is that it WAS red, but unfortunately that cannot be relied on. The debate on how the Greeks and Romans saw colours is an old one, and there are no good conclusions. For example, there are several examples of Greek sculpture with unnatural colours - green horses on the Parthenon freize is one - and we don't believe in green horses. As another example, what about Homer's "wine-dark sea"? I've sailed over that same sea, and it isn't wine coloured (nor particularly dark). Moving up to the Arabs, the books say that they called Egypt "the black land" because of the colour of the soil - but the soil of Egypt isn't black; it's reddish-brown. (2) Sirius seems red close to the horizon? It didn't last night, when I looked. To be fair, I can't recall observing Sirius close to its heliacal rising, ie near the Sun, but I've often seen Venus in that position, and IT never looked red. The Mesopotamians observed that planet for centuries, and if it ever looked red to them, they didn't say so. (3) Sirius looked red because its companion was a red giant? I doubt it. Check the difference in intrinsic magnitude between a red giant and a main-sequence blue-white star - the former would be drowned out. (4) I endorse the idea that the mediaeval guys might have simply copied the alleged fact of Sirius' redness without bothering to look. After all, they copied a lot of other errors that simple observation would have shown to be wrong; the most notorious example perhaps being Aristotle's assertion that heavier things fall faster. But that can't explain where the notion came from in the first place. Another trivial pursuit in the history of science...! Robert Firth -------