Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watdragon.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watnot!watdragon!cjsgro From: cjsgro@watdragon.UUCP (Carlo Sgro) Newsgroups: net.sport.hockey Subject: Re: a trade for Vaive? (very long) Message-ID: <591@watdragon.UUCP> Date: Fri, 14-Mar-86 11:47:18 EST Article-I.D.: watdrago.591 Posted: Fri Mar 14 11:47:18 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 15-Mar-86 03:17:22 EST References: <1812@dciem.UUCP> Reply-To: cjsgro@watdragon.UUCP (Carlo Sgro) Distribution: net Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 121 Summary: limited comments on Jeff's article In article <1812@dciem.UUCP> jeff@dciem.UUCP (Jeff Richardson) writes: >I really think the Leafs should trade Vaive now. Well, it's too late now. >I've looked around to >see what deals I think they could make. They seem to want an experienced >defenseman, but I think they need a decent right winger or they would have >a big hole at that position. Here's my team-by-team analysis: > >BOSTON: They blew a chance to get Mike O'Connell, who is probably the type of >guy they wanted, but the Bruins could not afford to give up a good defenseman >without getting another one in return. Vaive for Crowder has potential. >... so if the Bruins think they need someone like Vaive to compete >with the Naslunds and Goulets in their division, they might go for it, and I >think it would be good for the Leafs. Let's not forget that Boston got burned in the Derlago deal (which was a surprise to me). They may be hesitant now. >BUFFALO: I'm sure they'd love to have Vaive, but a deal with the Leafs is >difficult. ... I don't think that you'll *ever* see a deal between these two teams due to geographical problems and pride. >CALGARY: Not much chance here. The Flames are overloaded on right wing >already. The way Mullen's been playing for them, they wouldn't trade him >for God, and I don't think the Leafs would want Lanny McDonald back. Their >only experienced defenseman worth getting is Reinhart, but he's too much of >a question mark with all his injury problems. I would love to see Paul Reinhart with the Leafs if he was healthy. Likewise for Al MacInnis. >EDMONTON & PHILADELPHIA: Too strong and stable to make a major trade like >this. I doubt Vaive would fit in with their plans anyway. But I think that Vaive could probably perform the best for them. >LOS ANGELES, NEW JERSEY, PITTSBURGH & VANCOUVER: No experienced defensemen or >right wingers that are good enough to consider, except maybe Dave Taylor who is >too old or Tony Tanti, who's probably too one-dimensional, but he's younger >so he may be good as a last resort. I don't know if the Canucks would be >willing, though. I feel that either of these deals would be a bad one for the Leafs. Taylor is definitely too old and I don't think that Tanti would fit in well at all with the Leafs (who would :-)) due to his lack of aggressiveness. >NY ISLANDERS: Pat Flatley is the obvious choice, and probably a good one, >but the Leafs would want an experienced defenseman too. Ken Morrow seems >to be a good candidate, but is he completely over his injuries? I don't >think the Leafs would want Persson, and I don't know enough about Jonsson to >know whether he would help the Leafs or whether the Islanders would be willing >to throw him in with Flatley. Remember, they have Mike Bossy so they won't >be willing to give too much for another high scoring right winger. I don't think that the Isles would be willing to give up a talent like Flatley AND a defenseman too. Besides, I don't think that Morrow would be a good risk and I don't like Persson. The Islanders don't really have a great enough need for Vaive to make an equitable trade. >NY RANGERS: They should be desperate for Vaive because they're very weak >on right wing, and they have a lot of experienced defensemen. Ruotsalainen >isn't good enough defensively, and I don't know about Greschner. If Barry >Beck is over his injury problems, that may be a good deal for both teams. >It may sound a little prepostorous to think that the Rangers would give up >Beck, but he hasn't played much this year and their defence has been >excellent anyway. Their offence stinks though, so they may be willing to do >something drastic to improve it. The Leafs couldn't afford the trade though >unless they knew they could count on a healthy Beck. Vaive for Beck (straight up) would be totally unfair to the Leafs. Nylund seems to be a lesser-talented Beck clone so let's give him time. I don't really see that a good deal could come out of this anyway. >QUEBEC: >... but the Leafs already have one Stastny too many. I really don't think that the presence of Marion Stastny is hurting the team at all. He has talent; I wish that they'd let him use it. >WASHINGTON: There is a lot of potential here. Scott Stevens and Larry Murphy >are experienced defensemen that the Leafs would probably like to have. >Murphy isn't good enough to trade one-for-one. Stevens probably is, but trading >him would be a major change to their highly successful defence. Because of >their high position in the standings, I don't think they'd do it unless their >really convinced that Vaive would get them the cup. Besides, trading a >defenceman for Vaive would leave the Caps overloaded on right wing. >I think they might give Gartner for Vaive. Gartner is having a bad year by >his standards. So is Vaive, but the Caps may want him for his leadership and >character. I have a feeling that the Leafs may not want to trade Vaive for >Gartner, but it looks like an even trade talent-wise, and they're about the >same age, so it may be the best they can do. If the Leafs could get Scott Stevens from Washington, they should go for it. He's an excellent defenseman and team leader. I would not go for Mike Gartner. >WINNIPEG: They're fairly strong on right wing now, so a trade would have to >be either Paul MacLean or Ray Neufeld plus a defenceman for Vaive. However, >I don't think they can afford to give up Carlyle or Marois, who are the only >two defencemen the Leafs might want. If they did trade away any defense, Ferguson should be fired. He's personally ruined that team. >MY RECOMMENDATION: To Washington for Stevens or Boston for Crowder. MY RECOMMENDATION: They won't be able to get enough for him now. Hold onto him for a while and see who is frustrated in the playoffs. A July deal sounds best. -- Carlo Sgro ...![ihnp4||decvax||allegra||clyde||utzoo]!watmath!watdragon!cjsgro "ihnp4 Express: Overnight to the USA or you don't pay!"