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From: ellis@ultra.DEC (David Ellis)
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Subject: The other Pike on Talos
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Date: Mon, 17-Mar-86 19:01:30 EST
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Posted: Mon Mar 17 19:01:30 1986
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A question was asked about the scene at the end of "The Menagerie"
when the "healthy" Captain Pike accompanied Vina back underground.

The original question was:

>	When was this scene filmed?
>	It can't be a part of "The Cage".... Pike returns to the ship.
>	(Doesn't he?)
>	Was the scene filmed afterward, was it intended as a promotion,
>	was it a blooper, or did it actually appear in the pilot???

dec-donner!timpson answered:

> The scene was filmed for THE MENAGERIE not for THE CAGE.  If you will notice
> they don't let you see Pike's face clearly and you can also tell it is
> somebody else if you look close.

This answer is not correct.  Having seen Roddenberry's black-and-white print 
of the original "The Cage" film, I can say that the scene in question was 
definitely there.  In the original context, the duplicate Pike is understood 
as a Talosian illusion for Vina's benefit to keep her company (while the
real Pike did indeed return to the Enterprise).  In "The Menagerie", the same 
scene was placed in a new context that gives it the entirely different 
meaning of an illusion for Pike's benefit that he has been restored to full 
physical vitality.  A very ingenious piece of rewriting!

David Ellis / DEC, Littleton MA / 617-486-6784