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From: alpert@chovax.DEC
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Subject: yet another reply
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Date: Sat, 15-Mar-86 22:36:38 EST
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>Hey! Bob's back! I assumed that he had disappeared because he didn't
>respond to my requests for explanations regarding taxes and the
>5th amendment. Maybe there's an apology in here...

No apology.  I "disappeared" primarily do to this node undergoing
some rather hefty hardware and software upgrades, plus I don't
always have time to keep up with net.taxes on a day-to-day basis.
 
[regarding "right to privacy"]
>	Really? Hey, Bob, which amendment to the constitution does this
>fall under?

Take a look at the fourth, has to do with the right of citizens
to be secure in their houses, papers, and effects (I don't have
a copy handy at the moment, I can provide the entire text if you desire.)

>Hey, Bob, what do you propose? What better ways do you have to obtain the
>money needed to run the government? Come on, it's easy to point out all the
>faults with the present system, but LET'S HEAR SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR 
>IMPROVEMENT. 

Start with pulling the fangs out of the IRS and cleaning house. We can
argue from now to doomsday about how much government we need or want,
and how to fund that government, but I can't imagine anyone believes we
need a Gestapo-like agency to enforce and collect taxes.  My own belief
is that a return to a limited federal government as proscribed in the
Constitution would be preferable, though I don't necessarily believe that 
it is politically possible to do so.  I'm also open to suggestions, that's
what this forum is all about.

>	Long article, Bob. And no apology for your previous distasteful
>behavior. C'mon, 'fess up - you're a member of the Posse Comitatus, huh?

As far as some of these articles being long, I always put a header line
with the article length, if you feel its not worth your while, just skip
over it.  And no, I'm not a member of Posse Comitatus or any other fascist
group.  It always amuses me that frequently the first thing people will
start up with when discussing these subjects is "you're a Communist" or
"You're a Nazi/Fascist."  Regarding the first, who out there can tell
me what the Second Plank in the Communist Manifesto is (as I recall it
was the second)?  Regarding fascism, I don't think you'll find many
Nazis taking to heart the Bill of Rights or the concepts of liberty and
freedom.  

I can recall no distasteful behaviour, unless it was to point out that the
phrase "self-incrimination" does not appear in the 5th Amendment (it is
a pet peeve of mine when people "quote" that phrase from it.)  BTW, it
was an attorney who pointed out to me that "bearing a witness against
oneself" is a more general case than "self-incrimination."   
 
>	Question: how come Ken Arndt, Don Black and Bob Alpert all post
>from DEC sites?  

For myself, I happen to work for DEC, can't speak for anyone else.

		Bob Alpert
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