Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.PCS 1/10/84; site mtuxo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!jrrt From: jrrt@mtuxo.UUCP (r.mitchell) Newsgroups: net.columbia Subject: Re: Napoleonic battle ethics; or, `When to Fink on an Errant Boss...' Message-ID: <1422@mtuxo.UUCP> Date: Tue, 18-Mar-86 09:00:54 EST Article-I.D.: mtuxo.1422 Posted: Tue Mar 18 09:00:54 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 30-Mar-86 04:55:35 EST References: <6513@utzoo.UUCP> <893@masscomp.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Information Systems Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 23 Everybody that goes through military basic training is taught that if you are given an order by a superior that you think is illegal or otherwise "questionable", you OBEY the order and complain later. Bull. As a Navy officer (currently in the Reserves) who is involved in some areas of recruit training, I know you are wrong. Basic Training includes lectures on the Code of Conduct, with some emphasis placed on obeying "the lawful orders of the officers placed over {the sailor}." Included in that lecture is a discussion of what "lawful" means, and examples are given of unlawful orders that do not have to be obeyed, regardless of who issued them. Also, the lecture includes training on how to respond to the unlawful order, both at the time and when one wishes to complain to the order-giver's superior. Also, for the record, midshipmen get hours of leadership training that includes all the above stuff, so it's not just the enlisted personnel who are the focus of "the moral buck stops with the individual." Rob Mitchell {allegra,ihnp4}!mtuxo!jrrt