Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site bsdpkh.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!whuxl!whuxlm!akgua!akguc!codas!bsdpkh!heff From: heff@bsdpkh.UUCP (Paul K Heffner) Newsgroups: net.micro.apple Subject: 80-column on the Apple ][ Message-ID: <190@bsdpkh.UUCP> Date: Fri, 28-Mar-86 14:44:36 EST Article-I.D.: bsdpkh.190 Posted: Fri Mar 28 14:44:36 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 29-Mar-86 16:18:26 EST Distribution: net Organization: AT&T-IS (SDSS), Orlando Fl. Lines: 47 I've been reading the discussion of Apple ][ 80-column video boards with interest and would like to inject my two cents worth. I bought my ][+ in '78 back when you had a choice between the plain ][ (integer basic only) or ][+ (Applesoft in rom!!) In the years since, the 80-col issue has never been resolved in a way I would consider satisfactory. Practically anybody who is used to working with VDT terminals will probably become disgusted with the unacceptably slow response of the cards available. The situation seems to be just as bad on the ][e (and to me this is inexcusable considering the 80-vid on the ][e is completely memory mapped and should be extermely fast!!). Probably the best example of how dimly the Apple ]['s video is regarded is the fact that when Digital Research (the folks who market CP/M) decided to release their own Z-80 board to run CP/M on the apple they put independent video circuitry right on their card in order to avoid having to tangle with the ]['s snail-vid. O.K. I've done enough bitching, so what's my solution? Well, it really depends on how you use your computer. After buying and dumping several 80-col boards over the years, I found the most satisfactory solution is to pop a communications serial board in slot 3 and use an external terminal. I found an old Perkin-Elmer Owl 1200 terminal for next to nothing and run it at 9600 baud. As I do most of my work with the Apple Pascal system or CP/M (both of which work GREAT with terminals) I have no problem with this set up. It even allows me to keep my color monitor on the normal apple video output with no interference whatsoever! I can write turtlegraphics routines over on the terminal and watch the graphics results on the apple vid and debugging (or whatever) info simultaneously on the term. The only problem is Applesoft, which doesn't easily talk to terminals without special coding. Most current 80-column boards trick the applesoft interpreter by intercepting display related calls (HOME, etc.). If Applesoft is your thing, the terminal trick is probably not for you. (The Mbasic with the CP/M card could make you swear off Applesoft forever, though!!!) If so, grit your teeth and watch that sloooooooow video scroll by... Paul Heffner AT&T-IS, Altamonte Springs, Fl. {ihnp4,akgua,attmail}!bsdpkh!heff my work on my Z-80 board or in Apple pascal