Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!whuxl!whuxlm!akgua!gatech!seismo!uwvax!crystal!ravi From: ravi@crystal.UUCP Newsgroups: net.nlang.india,net.philosophy Subject: Re: "Adi Sankara": life of the Hindu philospher Message-ID: <66@crystal.UUCP> Date: Sat, 29-Mar-86 21:12:50 EST Article-I.D.: crystal.66 Posted: Sat Mar 29 21:12:50 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 1-Apr-86 07:20:17 EST References: <171@sfsup.UUCP> <57@crystal.UUCP> <182@sfsup.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 42 Xref: watmath net.nlang.india:1217 net.philosophy:4805 > > sophistication that comes with knowledge and awareness. In this sense, > > it may be unfair to find fault with Iyer; the fault probably lies with > > the social context of 8th century India. One has to be careful not to > > judge it by our present-day sensibilities. > > > > S. Rajeev: > > But what irritated me was that it also > appeared blatantly racist: all the brahmins were light-skinned, > fine-featured, clean-cut, "Aryan" people, while the others were usually > dark-skinned and aboriginal-looking, in addition to being ill-groomed! I would agree that such a depiction is quite racist. This really makes me wonder: The idea that fair-skin means "superior" does not appear to have been part of the Indian attitudes till quite recently. I wonder if there are any Indian works (before the influence of the western philologists planted the seed of the "aryan" hypothesis in the Indian mind) where this attitude is clearly manifest. The word "arya" is used in early Indian works independently of skin-colour. Not only was Krishna dark-skinned, but so were many rishis and others held in high-esteem. Ironically, it may well have been Sankaracharya himself was quite dark-skinned since he was born in Kerala! There could also never have been any bias that Brahmins, as a class, were fairer than the others: The (presumably darker) Brahmins from the south have had a primary and formative influence on the growth and development of Hindu thought. What seems beyond doubt is that the idea that fair-skin meant a different RACE is a recent import from western thought. I am not sure if there is any reason at all to believe that the value that seems to have come through in the film ("fair" => "superior") is not purely western. The traditional Indian attitude seems to have simply been "upper-caste" => "superior". I would be very interested in hearing what others may have to say on this issue. -- ARPA : ravi@crys.wisc.edu CSNET : ravi@wisconsin BITNET: ravi@wiscvm.bitnet UUCP : ...!{allegra,harvard,ihnp4,seismo,topaz}!uwvax!ravi