Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site watdcsu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watnot!watdcsu!dmcanzi From: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi) Newsgroups: net.columbia,net.philosophy Subject: Re: Escape tower for shuttle orbiter? Message-ID: <2198@watdcsu.UUCP> Date: Tue, 25-Mar-86 22:27:23 EST Article-I.D.: watdcsu.2198 Posted: Tue Mar 25 22:27:23 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Mar-86 04:26:07 EST References: <9696@ucla-cs.ARPA> <588@qantel.UUCP> <2593@genat.UUCP> <12610@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <11035@amdcad.UUCP> Reply-To: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi) Distribution: net Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 47 Xref: watmath net.columbia:2703 net.philosophy:4650 Summary: Money is time. Keywords: In article <11035@amdcad.UUCP> mike@amdcad.UUCP (Mike Parker) writes: >In article <12610@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> desj@brahms.UUCP (David desJardins) writes: >> I have not touched on this kind of a trade-off, because I don't see any >>real situation where we would have to make a choice between saving the >>shuttle orbiter *or* the crew. But, *if* this choice were necessary, it >>seems clear to save the orbiter. > >I had sworn off posting the the net, but this just *has* to be responded >to. Did you intend to put a smiley after this comment, please tell me >you did. He may not be joking... I came to conclusions similar to his, starting with the premise that money is not a good standard for measuring value (because of inflation, among other things). People often work at dangerous jobs for money... for that matter, if you cross the street on your way to work you're risking your life for money. This can only make sense if you believe that the money is worth the risk to your life, ie. that the money is worth more to you than the safety of staying on your side of the street. The only way you can compare the value of two things as dissimilar as money and risk of life is to somehow convert them to a common unit of measurement. The only common unit I could think of was the hour. When you work, you sacrifice the hours you spend working in return for money. Your hope is that the money will enable you, by buying food etc., to extend your lifespan by more than the amount of time you've spent working. (This is what I mean by saying "money is time", up there in the summary line.) It might be reasonable to risk your life for money if the probability of dying immediately multiplied by your remaining life expectancy is less than the increase in lifespan you can expect if you survive your gamble. Now, about the shuttle... somebody posted an estimate of its value at 4,000,000,000 dollars. Suppose that the people who worked to produce the shuttle (and all its components) were paid an average of 100 dollars/hour for the amount of their lives they've sacrificed -- an unrealistically high estimate, I think. This means that the shuttle cost 40,000,000 hours of human life. Seven astronauts, assuming they each have 100 years of life left -- this is generous -- have a total of only 6,100,000 hours. So losing a shuttle is actually a greater loss of human life than losing the astronauts on board. -- David Canzi "Offending with substance since 1985"