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From: afb@pucc-i (Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Democracy  & Peace
Message-ID: <1363@pucc-i>
Date: Thu, 27-Mar-86 09:24:53 EST
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Posted: Thu Mar 27 09:24:53 1986
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Summary: Sometimes, Sevener....

In article <593@whuts.UUCP>, orb@whuts.UUCP (SEVENER) writes:
> 
> Jan, you don't know your history very well at all.

     Tim, why don't you just take your superior intellect, which is obviously
being wasted in these paltry net.arguments, and share your wisdom with those
who are on your level and can really *appreciate* it.  Or, as an alternative,
you could learn the fine art of disagreeing with people without insulting 
their intellect.

> As I have pointed out before, the history of Imperialism by democracies

     Tim, don't you know English well enough to tell the difference between
the words "war between democracies" and "Imperialism by democracies"?  It
seems very clear to me...
> goes all the way back to ancient Athens, which had as democratic
> a government as one could find in the Ancient World.

     And could not, therefore, have gone to war with another democracy, n'est
pas??

> One must distinguish between *internal* stability and peace, which
> *HAS* been the undeniable product of national democracies and
> *external* relations with other states, be they democratic or
> otherwise.

     Again, the question we (but apparently not you, Tim) were concerned with,
based upon my interpretation of Jan's article, was of war betweeen democracies,
not of the "relations with other states" of democracies.  You have "disproved"
NOTHING.  You have PROVEN, however, that you are a pompous, patronizing FOOL
who reads in whatever he wants to read into an article.  BTW, I wouldn't go
off like this if this was the *first* time you'd done this.

> I make this important point *NOT* to criticize democratic government
> within nation-states  but to point out that such is no guarantee
> of peace *between* states. 

     Tim, where in your article did you refute anything Jan actually SAID??

> I suppose I shall have to provide lengthy quotations from historical
> sources to back up my claims, since you do not seem to have the
> most basic understanding of history.
>             tim sevener   whuxn!orb

     Have patience with us, Tim.  We're only mortals, but we're LEARNING.  I 
for one, have LEARNED that I should use the dreaded 'n' key to blip past any
article you've written which is a response to someone else's, since your
article will almost certainly have nothing to do with the article responded
to.

	  Michael Lewis @ Purdue University