Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.7.0.10 $; site gabriel Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ima!inmet!gabriel!cball From: cball@gabriel.UUCP Newsgroups: net.rec.boat Subject: Re: Orphaned Response Message-ID: <85100002@gabriel> Date: Wed, 12-Mar-86 12:00:00 EST Article-I.D.: gabriel.85100002 Posted: Wed Mar 12 12:00:00 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 31-Mar-86 04:00:02 EST References: <1673@hound.UUCP> Lines: 43 Nf-ID: #R:hound.UUCP:1673:gabriel:85100002:000:2455 Nf-From: gabriel.UUCP!cball Mar 12 12:00:00 1986 My analysis is that the value of used sailboats has dropped because of a structrual change in the sailboat market. I doubt that the current low prices are the result of cyclical changes. In looking at new sailboats that have been manufactured in the past two or three years, I am continually amazed at the increase in usable living space and increased appeal of the interiors. The new boats tend to have wider beams, and the floorplans make better use of the space. Instead of narrow floors down the center of the main cabin, they now follow the hull line to increase the open space. Instead of a small clasical quarter-berth, quarter- berths are now frequently built as doubles which utilize previously wasted space under the cockpit. On some thirty foot boats, there may even be a door which makes this into a separate cabin. I have never seen a thirty footer (that had a reasonable PHRF rating) built in the mid 70's which had this kind of feature. In addition, performance appears to have improved for a given boat size. There are other differences, but essentially the sailboat that is built today has evolved quite a bit from and is comperable to a larger boat that was built ten years ago. Basically, today's boat is much more appealing to the boat buying public. Low values for many older boats is a natural consequence. On the other hand, there are many boats which have clear market niches and are holding their value. The Sabre line is one example, Cape Dory appears to be another. The J-24 is only now begining to slide in value as J-boats has filled in their line between the 24' and the 30'. Note that there is no free lunch. My feeling is that many older boats are frequently designed to make safer offshore cruisers and racers. Beamier boats are more likely to capsize, and have a decreased righting moment once they have turned turtle. The interiors, while more attractive, are designed more for living at a slip than sailing on watches with part of the crew sleeping at sea. It depends on what you want and are willing to afford. I should probably state my bias. I am currently sifting through the market for a boat because the values of older boats have fallen. If I had the money I would by an early 80's boat(C&C29, J-30, S-2 9.1, etc). As it is, I'm looking for an older 30'+ which I can use for a season and update to current standards for next winter's "project". Charles Ball ..{ima,ihnp4}!inmet!cball