Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site erc3ba.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxf!mhuxi!erc3ba!ayf From: ayf@erc3ba.UUCP (A.Y.Feldblum) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Historical Persecution of Jews Message-ID: <186@erc3ba.UUCP> Date: Fri, 21-Mar-86 13:09:13 EST Article-I.D.: erc3ba.186 Posted: Fri Mar 21 13:09:13 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 26-Mar-86 23:03:44 EST References: <852@leadsv.UUCP> <532@mhuxm.UUCP>, <1117@unc.unc.UUCP> <719@hounx.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Engineering Research Center Princeton, NJ Lines: 53 I think that we can distinguish between early Greek and Roman "anti-semitism" and Christian "anti-semitism". The first was not religious based, or at least not in the same sense as the second. Greek and Roman dislike of the Jews was based on a combination of factors, some of which have been brought up in this discussion. They include the fact that the Jews kept themselves as a seperate social group and did not accept Greek or Roman practices (including religion) as readily as other national groups that the Greeks or Romans conquered. In addition the Jewish insistance that G-d could not be seen, and that all the gods of the Romans or Greeks were meaningless (other groups said we have our gods, you have yours, but they are all powerfull beings) did not make the Jews well loved by the other nations. However, there was no intense hatred of the Jews as Jews per se. The Jews did not in any way threaten the very existance or claim to validity of these other nations. The study of the relationship between the Jews and the other nations can be linked with the more general issues of "dislikes" between distinct groups. The nature of Christian "antisemitism" is fundamentally different. To understand it, one must look at the period of the early Christian church, before the Roman Empire embraced christianity. During this period, both the Jews and Christians were active proslytising elements in the Roman Empire, but both were viewed by the Roman Empire as Jewish - just two different sects. Depending on the views of the particular ruler, one group was left relatively alone and the second was persecuted, with identity of the two groups changing. This laid a political underpinning for hatred between the two groups. We now add to this the fact that they were viewed by their prospective converts as being a jewish sect, and the Jews also looking for converts. A consequence was that many of these people went both to the jewish shul and the christian church. To combat this, the church tried to seperate itself as much as possible from mainstream Judaism. In addition, it would be difficult to gain Roman converts to a religion whose founder was killed by the Romans for subversive political activities (there is a lot of evidence to support that statement). The end result was the birth of the idea of the Jews as the deicide people - the god killers. Reading church sermons from that period, which the church has preserved, one finds such virulent hatred publically proclaimed to rivel anything else in history. The people of what we call "Western Civilization" over the next more than one thousand years were educated by the Church. And what they were taught, untill it became part of the social and political fabric, was the the Jews were god killers and therefor despised by god and should be despised by all people. When we now look at specific examples of modern anti-semitism, although the language and immediate causes may not be religious in nature, it is only this long historical basis that allows it to flourish. Avi Feldblum uucp: {ihnp4, allegra}!pruxc!ayf or !erc3ba!ayf