Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ames.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!hplabs!hao!ames!barry From: barry@ames.UUCP (Kenn Barry) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian,net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Historical Persecution of Jews Message-ID: <1452@ames.UUCP> Date: Sat, 22-Mar-86 11:32:08 EST Article-I.D.: ames.1452 Posted: Sat Mar 22 11:32:08 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 27-Mar-86 20:58:14 EST References: <852@leadsv.UUCP> <12501@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center, Mtn. View, CA Lines: 43 Xref: lsuc net.religion.christian:400 net.religion.jewish:1928 From Matthew Wiener (brahms!weemba): >I am curious if the roots of Christian >anti-Semitism go back to the first century CE or not. Were the >early Christians so annoyed at their twain for not seeing the light >that bigotry developed? And were the early Christians trying to >disassociate themselves from the disasters that befell the Jews >in 66-70 CE in the Jew-Roman war? > >These questions are probably unanswerable. Actually, we can make some educated guesses. Some of the early Nazarenes (Xians) had already parted company with the Torah by 30-40 AD. There seems to have been considerable friction between the Nazarenes and Pharasaic Judaism almost from the beginning. The real break came, as you suggest, in 66 AD. The Xians refused to join the Jews in defense of Jerusalem (possibly because of their belief that the end of the world was just around the corner, but that's speculation), and instead fled the city. After that, no Jew considered them a branch of Judaism. As for the Xians, they probably bore grudges about the executions of some early Xian leaders at the behest of the Sanhedrin. I'm skeptical of the idea that modern antisemitism is explained by this ancient history, but it does seem clear that Xianity and Judaism were at odds from the very start. And the Xians were actually picking up what was already a long-standing tradition. The Romans were down on the Jews before Jesus was ever born, and Hellenic-Semitic conflicts go back even farther. Many of the coastal settlements in Palestine were Greek from time immemorial (e.g., the Philistines were a Hellenic people); the conflict was an ancient one. It was perhaps natural, as Xianity became less Semitic and more Hellenistic in its philosophy and outlook, that it picked up some long-standing Greek cultural prejudices. Indeed, the first Nazarenes to forsake the Torah appear to be Jews who'd already left traditional Judaism behind for Hellenism, judging by their names (e.g., Stephen). That other Jews also refused to acknowledge their messiah was just more fuel for the fire. - From the Crow's Nest - Kenn Barry NASA-Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ELECTRIC AVENUE: {ihnp4,vortex,dual,hao,menlo70,hplabs}!ames!barry