Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!ucbvax!nike!caip!unirot!cjr From: cjr@unirot.UUCP (Charles Riordan) Newsgroups: net.sci,net.philosophy Subject: Re: Mythological Dogmas Message-ID: <434@unirot.UUCP> Date: Fri, 28-Mar-86 15:55:40 EST Article-I.D.: unirot.434 Posted: Fri Mar 28 15:55:40 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 2-Apr-86 00:46:37 EST References: <899@decwrl.DEC.COM> <402@aoa.UUCP> <192@ulowell.UUCP> Organization: Public Access Un*x, Piscataway NJ (The Soup Kitchen) Lines: 36 Xref: watmath net.sci:681 net.philosophy:4820 Summary: Micheal Ellis redeems himself as a proponent of truth in thinking In article <155@spar.UUCP>, ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) writes: > "Mind's I", by the way, is not supposed to be original. It is a > compilation which includes many popular authors, including Dennett, > Smullyan, Searle being clever. This book is a fairly accessible > introduction to different points of view about mind, although > Hofstatder's rabid scientismical bias becomes pretty evident in his > commentaries. > > Metamagical Themas strikes me as largely a rearguard defense of themes > presented in GEB, wasting much effort on unconvincing attacks directed > against `the enemy' (Searle). Turing machine functionalists should find > this book reassuring. Sadly, Hofstatder seems to have become little > more than a mouthpiece for computer science types who seem to be > unaware that the good old days of physical realism, causal determinism, > and strong objectivity are history. Right on, and they don't know that all that history has been rewritten by those of us who recognize the supremisy of the subjective Eastern mind over the arrogance of the dogmatic Western mind. Their scientismatistical bais shows thru as clear as mud. And everyone knows that bais alone is enough to toss their ridiculous Western scientific thoeries in the garbage can. Those "good old days" in which those dogmaticalists use to tell us that our personal beliefs were bunko just because we couldn't verify them using their stupid scientific methods are OVER! You are right about these dogmatic Western types needing to read up on the works of some of these modern philosophers who know the real truth. Pete has often mentioned Carl "Pop" Firebrand as a leader of new ways of thinking, totally alein to tthe old ways involving using the brain and stuff. I incourage everyone to learn the truth from today's modern philosophers. Oh, ya, by the way, I read your Organization name is Schlumberger Artifical Research. What sort of Artifical Research do you do, man? -- Peace, CJ (Charles J. Riordan - unirot!cjr) (Public Access Un*x - The Soup Kitchen)