Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!ai.ai.mit.edu!KFL From: KFL@AI.AI.MIT.EDU ("Keith F. Lynch") Newsgroups: net.space Subject: Observing Dyson spheres Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].22502.860330.KFL> Date: Sun, 30-Mar-86 12:23:21 EST Article-I.D.: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].22502.860330.KFL> Posted: Sun Mar 30 12:23:21 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 1-Apr-86 08:14:17 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 41 From: ucdavis!ucrmath!hope!corwin@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (John Kempf) Interesting idea about the aluminum foil. I had not considered just a shell, only a fully habitable sphere. The original idea was that the sphere would be many relatively small asteroid-like objects. As far as visuals go, I was picturing things along the lines of a rotating flashlight from a half built sphere, to a strobe star from a partial sphere started from several locations. It would probably be built more or less all around the star at once, and gradually become denser as more and more colonies, farms, and factories are built, until finally none of the sunlight escapes into interstellar space as all of it is intercepted. Much like satellites around the Earth (except that nobody expects satellites to become so prevalent that they block all sunlight and moonlight from reaching Earth). Of course it is possible that it might be built in the way you describe, though it sounds pretty unstable to me. And if it is suspended by light pressure, it would not be rotating. We would either see the star or not depending on which way the hemisphere happened to face. Probably what we should be looking for are room temperature IR stars, stars that are unusually dim, stars that are getting rapidly (on an astronomical timescale) dimmer, stars that do vary in brightness in some hard to explain way, and of course anything else unusual looking. Definately agree with launching more satellites and/or observatories, but why limit it to IR? Wouldn't radio also be a sign of civilization? Only if the aliens use strong but poorly aimed radio signals for communications or some other purpose. A more advanced technology might consider radio obsolete. But unless we seriously misunderstand thermodynamics, any civilization which uses massive amounts of energy for anything at all will have to radiate enormous amounts of infrared into interstellar space. ...Keith