Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!brl-adm!brl-smoke!smoke!gwyn@BRL.ARPA From: gwyn@BRL.ARPA (VLD/VMB) Newsgroups: net.unix-wizards Subject: Re: job control Message-ID: <7@brl-smoke.ARPA> Date: Tue, 15-Apr-86 10:41:12 EST Article-I.D.: brl-smok.7 Posted: Tue Apr 15 10:41:12 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 18-Apr-86 04:33:41 EST Sender: news@brl-smoke.ARPA Lines: 21 I certainly agree that UNIX, at the level you are talking about (direct use of the shell, etc.), is not designed for casual use. It was designed specifically for software development, and anyone peddling this interface for naive, untrained users is guilty of a (minor) crime. Unfortunately, the original precise, compact documentation for the computer professional has now been spread across nearly 10 times as many manuals and has been buried under the "computer will not listen to you until you press RETURN" style of naive-user instruction that you referred to. I think AT&T has mixed the two rather different categories of users into the same basket, to the detriment of both. On the other hand, I'm sure that if I attempted to use TOPS-20 with UNIX experience as a guide and didn't read the explanatory material first, I would get just as annoyed with it as you seem to be with UNIX. (In fact, in my few brief encounters with TOPS-20, it was pretty puzzling. If I had to use it for serious work, though, you can bet I'd read the documentation first.) There's room for both TOPS-20 and UNIX, but I wouldn't advertise either as having an ideal general-user interface.