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From: chip@vaxwaller.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.analog,net.auto
Subject: Re: Re: Car sensors
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Date: Wed, 7-May-86 18:31:19 EDT
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Posted: Wed May  7 18:31:19 1986
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> > One thing about these sensors is that most of the time motorcycles
> > can not trip them. I have sat at lights for several minutes waiting
> > for them to change. You find yourself praying for a car to pull up
> > behind you to set the thing off. I even tried putting the kickstand
> > down even though this is not safe to do. I'm surprised more cycle 
> > riders havn't spoken up.
> quite the contrary, I have had (to me) a suprising amount of luck
> tripping these puppies with my *bicycle*.  You just need to know where
> to sit.  Many of them are in a sideways figure 8 (sortof), and to
> trip it you just have to sit on the middle of the pattern.  For
> simple loops, just park it on one of the sides.  In most locations
> you can tell where the loops are, they seem to cut them out when
> they pave the streets; in other locations, they paint the pattern
> on the street!

	It is true that you can sometimes find the pattern, but that doesn't
always mean that the damned things will "see" you.  I've also been able
to trip some with my bicycle, and others I can't trip with my motorcycle.
Even the trick of setting the kickstand down on the traces in the street
(assuming you can find them) sometimes doesn't work.  What I've done in
the past is to call the responsible agency (city, county, etc.) and 
notify them about the matter.  USUALLY they will correct the situation,
however, sometimes they don't.  That usually prompts a second call, and
if that doesn't work, I send them a registered letter (receipt requested)
telling them of the situation, and follow that up with a call telling them
just how liable my "lawyer" thinks they would be if I ran the sucker and 
got into an accident.  That ALWAYS works.  Try it.  You'll like it.

					Happiness;
					Chip

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