Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!caip!lll-crg!lll-lcc!vecpyr!atari!portal!phil From: phil@portal.UUcp (Phil Sih) Newsgroups: net.dcom Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet really works... Message-ID: <136@portal.UUcp> Date: Fri, 25-Apr-86 05:29:27 EDT Article-I.D.: portal.136 Posted: Fri Apr 25 05:29:27 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 27-Apr-86 05:48:44 EDT References: <735@hoptoad.uucp> Organization: Portal Communications, Cupertino, CA Lines: 28 Summary: why thick ethernet was > Why did xeroX go with expensive custom cabling originally? They figured > that standard TV style thin cables wouldn't permit a big enough network? > -- > John Gilmore {sun,ptsfa,lll-crg,ihnp4}!hoptoad!gnu jgilmore@lll-crg.arpa In part you are right. The thick Ethernet cable was developed especially for its characteristics like loss and propagation delay. The delay is important as it along with the end-to-end span of the network, clock frequency, and encoding method determine things like the minimum packet size, time to backoff after collision, jam time, etc. The bottom line is the higher the wave velocity in the cable and the lower the loss, the longer you can make the Ethernet installation limit and the higher you can make the data rate, both desirable attributes. If you are really curious, try getting a copy of the version 1.0 Ethernet "blue book" that I think came out in 1980. (I have no idea where you would get one now. Maybe an engineering lib.) Thin Ethernet works because as long as the impedance of the cable is matched (50ohm) and there are no "bumps" at the connectors or bends to cause funkie reflections in the wire (just like regular EN) the protocol can't tell the difference below a certain network size and intertransceiver (?) minimum distance. I think "Cheapernet" as it has been called is a good idea for situations where EN is overkill. Yours sounds like a case in point. Ours probably is too since we have a pair of 3/160's in a closet connected by a big honkin' coil of cable. - Phil