Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxn!ihnp4!cbosgd!mark From: mark@cbosgd.UUCP (Mark Horton) Newsgroups: net.dcom Subject: Re: modem evaluation - Telebit Trailblazer Message-ID: <2060@cbosgd.UUCP> Date: Tue, 29-Apr-86 17:10:16 EDT Article-I.D.: cbosgd.2060 Posted: Tue Apr 29 17:10:16 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 2-May-86 09:25:44 EDT References: <1703@sdcsvax.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Oh Lines: 49 I haven't used the Telebit modem, but I have used the UDS 9600 A/B, and this review sounds remarkably similar to my experience. When I first got the UDS, I had a pair of them talking over a dialup line. Since the modems are sync/half duplex, you put a box called an EC100 on each end - that box converts to async, full duplex, and does an error correcting protocol as well. (Total cost: about $2000 for each modem plus $500 for the EC100, or about $5000 for a pair.) The error correction works well - it's quite nice for terminal use, as the noisy phone line }i type problems go away. But this does not mean you don't need a higher level checksum, since you can still get errors in the RS232 link between the modem and the computer. For file transfer, disabling the checksum is akin to using cu and ~%put at 9600 baud over a hardwired RS232 link - ill advised. But the half duplex nature of the connection is VERY important if you are using it for interactive UNIX type terminal uses. In particular, echoing of characters is slow because, for each character you type, it has to send the character, turn around the line, echo the character, and turn the line around again. This can take about 1/2 second per character (you didn't say how fast the Telebit does turnaround) and is quite annoying for interactive users. It feels as if the system you are using is heavily loaded, and the user gets mentally fatigued pretty fast when using a system like this. For applications where you don't need echo (UUCP, reading news) it's great. One thing I tried that I didn't see mentioned was to run TCP/IP/SLIP over such a connection. This worked quite well, but again, if you telnet or rlogin over the link, the same echo problem occurs, and it feels sluggish. Another problem with the UDS is that it really wants to be used over a leased line, with a given pair of modems configured for each other. Using it as a dialup replacement for general purpose UUCP would never work, since there are several jumpers that must match the modem on the other end, and you must tune these jumpers for your telephone connection. (For example, the line turnaround time could be adjusted to 30, 50, or 150ms, the baud rate and fallback baud rate must match, carrier detect level, training methods must all match.) UDS was very helpful in configuring it over the phone, but this isn't really intended as a dialup modem. Eventually I got a 4 wire leased line (cheap since it's within one central office) and reused the same modems in 4 wire mode. Now it's essentially a 6 mile 9600 baud RS232 cable, missing most of the control signals. I'm very interested to see how the V.32 technology works out. Is it true that the only one out now (from Concord) runs $2500, but the prices should be down to $700 "Real Soon Now?" Mark