Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site ism780c.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!bellcore!decvax!hplabs!sdcrdcf!ism780c!marty From: marty@ism780c.UUCP (Marty Smith) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: Air raid on Libya Message-ID: <1914@ism780c.UUCP> Date: Mon, 21-Apr-86 18:18:38 EST Article-I.D.: ism780c.1914 Posted: Mon Apr 21 18:18:38 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 23-Apr-86 22:46:17 EST References: <157@unido.UUCP> <1200001@ztivax.UUCP> Reply-To: marty@ism780c.UUCP (Marty Smith) Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Santa Monica, CA Lines: 117 In article <1200001@ztivax.UUCP> david@ztivax.UUCP writes: >/* Written 10:27 pm Apr 16, 1986 by ab@unido in ztivax:net.general */ >/* ---------- "Air raid on Libya" ---------- */ >After watching the TV pictures of the american air raid against Libya >I think that I have to regard this act as an act of state terrorism. >In my eyes, Mr. Reagan is directly responsible for the death of >children and innocent people. With this act, Mr Reagan uses >similar methods as Gadaffi namely killing or wounding people who >are not responsible for their leaders' politics. > >I hope that on the net and in America are some people who share my views. > > Andreas Bormann > University of Dortmund [UniDo] > West Germany > >Well, I doubt that you will find people in America who share your >views, because the brainwashing there is getting rather complete. In fact, you will find a great many people in the United States who share this view. But these same people are compelled to ask why the European community doesn't seem to be combating terrorism effectively. >I wonder if the coverage on European news stations even made it to the >US. It certainly was not on the US propaganda stations here (W. >Germany). There was basically no coverage on either the Voice Of >America (well, only to say that the White House had recieved >congratulations from its allies on the sucessful action against >Libya!!!) or on the Armed Forced Radio (there was a thirty second >report saying an attack had been made on Libya, that two missiles >fired on a LORAN station in the Med boith fell harmlessly into the >sea, AND THAT WAS IT!!!) The television coverage in the United States was indeed quite bloody, just as bloody, in fact, as the coverage of all the recent terrorist raids throughout the world. >People in the US should wake up and see what is happening there. >Raygun is getting ready to start a very big war. And the US populace >do not have the faintest idea of what is going on. The people of the United States are very aware of what is happening there, and we are also very aware of our limitations in dealing with the problem on our own. Perhaps it is you who should wake up. The big war you refer to has been going on in the middle east for thousands of years. We didn't start it, and we don't seem to be able to stop it. >Raygun has demonstrated that he is an imperialist bent on conquering >the world, not on spreading the American Dream of Peace, Liberty, and >the Pursuit of Happiness. Examples: > >Chile: A coup rigged by the CIA (Bush is ex CIA director), installing > a military dictatorship. Good in CIA's eyes, because they buy > US arms. President reagan had nothing to do with the coup in Chile. >Nicaragua: No evidence that terrorists supported by Raygun support > concepts of US consitution. So why does Raygun back terrorists? President Reagan holds that the Contras fighting in Nicaragua are not terrorists. Once again, there are many people in the United States who disagree with this view. There are also a great many who support it. >Manila: Marcos is a perfect example of people Raygun likes. Unless I miss my guess, President Marcos is now addressing himself as Mr. Marcos, and the Phillipines are doing nicely without him. >Afghanistan: Send arms to Afghanis, let the people nearby in Cambodia > starve. Do we have to do it all? Send help. We need it and will gladly accept it. >Angola: Popular government, dealing in good faith with US businesses > (just like Libya used to), Raygun is now backing anti-government > terrorists. Everybody deals in good faith with US businesses, just as they all deal in good faith with Soviet businesses, and German businesses. >Libya: The only DEMOCRACY in the entire middle east. The only leader > in the middle east who is both a JEW AND AN ARAB. No interest > in this potentially important country for spreading good in > Middle East. Please elaborate on how Lybian democracy works, and explain what Mr. Gadaffi's goals are. If he is trying to spread good in the middle east, we need to know how he intends to do this, so that we can help him. >The only thing consistent with the way Raygun chooses who is on his >side and who is the Enemy is by who they by weapons from. If the buy >fromthe US, then they are OK by him. If they don't, he will ack >terrorists to overthrow the government, or he will embark on state >terrorism to murder innocent people, as he has done this week in >Libya. As I've stated, there are many people in the United States who disagree with the attack on Lybia. There are very few people in the US who believe the US chooses its allies according to who they buy arms from. Such people are themselves terribly uninformed. > >And for all of this, Raygun is very popular. Goes to show how far the >brainwashing has progressed. Just look at the popular movies in the >US to see the general attitude. Rambo, Rocky, Phantom Commando, etc., >etc., etc. "Kill those guys, they are the Enemy!!!!!!!!!!!" I must've missed Phantom Commando. Sounds like a real winner. However, your last paragraph makes a good point. I am indeed at a loss to explain President Reagan's popularity. But don't worry. If we can all hold out for two more years, we'll elect a new President. Maybe we'll find a better one; maybe we won't. We'll try. Until then, Ronald Reagan will be the President of the United States. I hope that gives Mr. Gadaffi pause. martin smith