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From: craig@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Craig Wylie)
Newsgroups: net.followup,net.politics
Subject: Re: Air raid on Libya
Message-ID: <167@comp.lancs.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 19-May-86 08:20:05 EDT
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Posted: Mon May 19 08:20:05 1986
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In article <782@kontron.UUCP> cramer@kontron.UUCP writes:

>   lots and lots of stuff about Communism and Socialism and UK Labour Party ...

>The idea that declaring yourself a "nuclear free zone" is going to make
>even ONE bit of difference whether war is fought on your soil is so 
>incredibly naive as to be unbelievable.  Since otherwise intelligent
>people claim to believe this nonsense, I am forced to conclude that 
>they do so because they are attempting to create a popular support for
>pacifism.  
>
>Clayton E. Cramer

Ok, firstly have you never in your life taken a symbolic stand over
something ? Declaring a Nuclear free zone dosen't mean that you don't
expect people to fire them at you. Nobody would be so stupid as
to say  

	' Under statute blah, para blah blah ....
	  It is now illegal to nuke ...... (insert your favourite
	  nuclear free zone here)'

The point is that the people who declare nuclear free zones are saying
that they do not agree with the concept of nuclear war and that they will
do as much as they can to try to avoid allowing nuclear associated
actions within their area of influence. This can make it difficult for
those groups servicing the nuclear industry, or the military, to function.


> ....  Totalitarians have always benefitted from pacifism -- that's
>why groups like CND exist.

Are you suggesting from this that CND (and others) are simply a front
for a totalitarian group of some form? You may say that they are unaware
of their manipulation and that they are doing it for honest and
good reasons, but they are being duped. Poor silly people, imagine
being so easy to manipulate. If you were paranoid like the rest of us
sane people then you would know that the only way to be safe is to kill
everybody who doesn't agree with you, it's obvious really.


Craig.

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