Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!decwrl!pyramid!pesnta!hplabs!hao!nbires!rcd From: rcd@nbires.UUCP Newsgroups: net.info-terms,net.internat Subject: Re: keyboard standard (caps/shift lock) Message-ID: <762@nbires.UUCP> Date: Thu, 15-May-86 04:39:01 EDT Article-I.D.: nbires.762 Posted: Thu May 15 04:39:01 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 17-May-86 04:16:26 EDT References: <2071@cbosgd.UUCP> <1314@oddjob.UUCP> <132@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> <1964@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Organization: NBI,Inc, Boulder CO Lines: 36 Xref: watmath net.info-terms:957 net.internat:306 > >...The reason for '. .' and ', ,' was that > >you still wanted to be able to type those in "shift lock" mode, but since > >"caps lock" on a terminal only shifts the alphabetic keys, the reason for > >a '. .' and ', ,' go away. Some people just don't know how to think! > > Nope. On a VT220, the user can select CAPS-LOCK or SHIFT-LOCK in the > setup mode, depending on his/her preference. I hadn't known this about the VT220, but it certainly diminishes any slight respect I might have offered it. The availability of SHIFT-LOCK doesn't do anything to bolster the sensibility of '. .' and ', ,' keys; it just makes the VT220 look sillier. SHIFT-LOCK is archaic and arcane. It made sense on a typewriter where shifting moved the key basket (is that the term?) and shift-lock just locked it into place--but only because that was the cheap thing to do. Being able to use shift-lock to type VT@@) or MC^*)@) or IBM#&) just isn't useful, and carrying mechanical-typewriter arcana into an electronic device is insane (or at least inane). The change from SHIFT-LOCK to CAPS-LOCK was a logical change, finally made possible by changing technology, and why DEC would offer a throwback is beyond me...but then, I'm not a marketeer. I think Mark has charted a pretty good course through the murky waters of what-can-we-change-vs-what-must-be-familiar. You could make the same argument I made above for moving to a Dvorak keyboard. Fine. Changing from qwerty to Dvorak is a much bigger change. I would like to see a qwerty keyboard with the rest of the keys laid out in a consistent and sensible fashion. I would also like to see a Dvorak layout with the same rules applied to the rest of the keyboard. (And, paying at least tardy lip service to the name of the newsgroup, I would like to see more about the implications of international keyboards in this issue.) -- Dick Dunn {hao,ucbvax,allegra}!nbires!rcd (303)444-5710 x3086 ...Relax...don't worry...have a homebrew.