Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!princeton!caip!seismo!rochester!crowl From: crowl@rochester.ARPA (Lawrence Crowl) Newsgroups: net.info-terms,net.internat Subject: Re: In search of a sane keyboard standard Message-ID: <18426@rochester.ARPA> Date: Mon, 26-May-86 12:49:06 EDT Article-I.D.: rocheste.18426 Posted: Mon May 26 12:49:06 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 27-May-86 07:31:19 EDT References: <2071@cbosgd.UUCP> <429@mcgill-vision.UUCP> Reply-To: crowl@rochester.UUCP (Lawrence Crowl) Organization: U of Rochester, CS Dept, Rochester, NY Lines: 40 Keywords: keyboard, standard, ANSI Xref: watmath net.info-terms:997 net.internat:328 In article <429@mcgill-vision.UUCP> mouse@mcgill-vision.UUCP writes: >I want: >- Keyclick. Keyclick should be electronic, though > mechanical is acceptable if it does not introduce tactile feedback. >- NO TACTILE FEEDBACK UNTIL THE KEY HITS THE BOTTOM OF ITS TRAVEL. But I hate noisy keyboards. The IBM PC keyboard annoys me because of its noise. I much prefer tactile feedback. >- [/] and {/} keys, not [/{ and ]/} An I prefer just the opposite. I would also like to see () and _ and + as unshifted characters. I cannot stand QWERTY, and yet there seems to be little discussion of alternative layouts. Most of the discussion centers around keys that have extremely little use except in computer languages (like vi, Pascal, and others). What about non-ascii characters? The europeans have a whole mess of characters they have had to graft around ascii. Some of the ebcdic characters (corners, lines, and such) would be real nice to have. I would like printable arrows in all four directions. How about a real divide sign? How will we deal with these? Let's face it. No standard is going to please everyone. I would venture to guess that no standard will even come close unless people are forced to use it so much that they end up liking it. (Pavlov got his initial ideas after observing secretaries using QWERTY keyboards. Oh yeah, :-) We need to work on a keyboard interface standard where people can provide their own favorite keyboard. This way, they can have their own favorite feedback, keyboard layout, tilt angle, characters and designer monograms. Any suggestions? -- Lawrence Crowl 716-275-5766 University of Rochester Computer Science Department ...!{allegra,decvax,seismo}!rochester!crowl Rochester, New York, 14627