Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!harvard!seismo!mcvax!enea!sommar From: sommar@enea.UUCP (Erland Sommarskog) Newsgroups: net.info-terms,net.internat Subject: Re: In search of a sane keyboard standard Message-ID: <1313@enea.UUCP> Date: Wed, 7-May-86 14:43:14 EDT Article-I.D.: enea.1313 Posted: Wed May 7 14:43:14 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 11-May-86 02:57:16 EDT References: <2071@cbosgd.UUCP> <943@inset.UUCP> Reply-To: sommar@enea.UUCP (Erland Sommarskog) Distribution: net Organization: Enea Data, Sweden Lines: 55 Xref: linus net.info-terms:466 net.internat:29 I'd like too add some comments om Mark Horton proposal to a keyboard standard. Jim R Oldroyd points at an important point, the need for national layout. MH has e.g "}" as shift "]". On my keyboard they are interchanged, since "]" is a captial letter and "}" the small version of the same. Of the same reason I don't have "@" on shift-2 but as shift-"`". The Swedish standard also contains some ofter differences to the American, bur they are not important here. (But I like it, and don't like using American keyboards.) Another thing that anyone hasn't mentioned is the arrow keys. They usually sit somewhere on separate keypad. Sometimes in row, somtimes in a square. But how, differs from keyboard to keyboard. E.g. the keyboards I use the most are those of Facit Twist and Tandberg TDV 2230. (The Facit is a Swedish terminal, the Tandberg Norwegian. Both of them are very good.) Let's how they have arranged the arrow keys: Facit Tandberg Backtab Up Tab DEL Up CSI Left Down Right Left Home Right Backtab Down Tab Notes: 1) Both keyboards have function keys above these. I never use these keys. 2) Both keyboards also have Tab in its normal place. 3) CSI on the Tandberg generates -[ The most confusing is of course that Left/backtab and Right/Tab are inter- changed between the two keyboards. The fact that Tandberg has an obsolete "Home" between Up and Down doesn't trouble me that much. I also like to add that I find this type of arrangement far more logical than the VT100-like Up Left Right Down (With excuses for the order). Another annoying differnce between the keyboards are the arrangements of the left shift key and "No scroll" The Facit has (like VT100 I believe) NoScroll LeftShift Z with LeftShift 1.5 the size of a normal key. The Tandberg has LeftShift Z means "<" unshifted and ">" shifted The No-scroll key is placed at far the right , three rows over PF1. Although the Facit places the shift better than Tandberg, according to Horton, The placement of NoScroll is stupid. More on the subject could be said, but I stop with this. Erland Sommarskog ENEA Data, Sweden