Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!think!harvard!caip!nike!styx!lll-crg!gymble!umcp-cs!seismo!mcvax!ukc!stc!inset!jr From: jr@inset.UUCP (Jim R Oldroyd) Newsgroups: net.internat Subject: Re: In search of a sane keyboard standard Message-ID: <980@inset.UUCP> Date: Fri, 9-May-86 12:02:03 EDT Article-I.D.: inset.980 Posted: Fri May 9 12:02:03 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 13-May-86 01:09:24 EDT Organization: The Instruction Set Ltd., London, UK. Lines: 65 Keywords: Application Mode Another point worth adding into this discussion is something about Function and Arrow Keys and Application Keypads. Arrow Keys are widely used, but their positioning is random and there is another problem (below). If you have a terminal with Application Mode or Function Key facilities, you may have something like 20 Function Keys and 20 keys which can work in ``Application Mode''. Now, it is quite likely that you don't use them. This is not surprising - there is precious little software available which makes use of them. Why? Well, all terminals which do have them have different numbers of them and they work in different ways. Now, I actually make use of them. All was well, when I was only using my VT100 compatible terminal. CHAOS ensued when I had to make use of several other terminals. Why? Because some terminals haven't been designed with thought to the application. Here are some problems encountered: - There aren't enough Application Keys to be worth it. - When in Application Mode, DEL (the erase character) sends some bizarre escape sequence! There is NO key which sends DEL! - The Arrow Keys send simple control characters as opposed to a special sequence. It is not possible to determine if an Arrow Key was pressed, or the actual control character. - One terminal (which I used recently) has a faulty emulation of a more useable terminal! - Pressing some keys puts the terminal out of Application Mode. - The Application Keys are located in strange places. I like the way my terminal does things. It's VT100 compatible, with 16 programmable function keys. The entire numeric keypad (on the right) transforms to Applications Mode on receipt of some character sequence. It is very useful on the right (I'm right handed) - I can do a lot without moving my left hand. The Function Keys are not so convieniently positioned; they are above the $%^&*()_ keys, with F1-F8 unshifted and F9-F16 shifted. It's really easy to hit the wrong one, and two hands are required a lot of the time. The Arrow keys are in a row: UDLR. Actually, I find that I can cope with this; arrangement in a diamond is not essential. However, horizontal arrangement in an order other that UDLR is confusing. I won't propose any standard here, yet. I'd like to hear other comments first. But I would like to see see something about this in a Keyboard Standard. BTW: I know there's an popular existing standard for this sort of thing, and I like it. -- "A black sheep in the family is better than no sheep at all". -- ++ Jim R Oldroyd ++ jr@inset.co.uk ++ ..!mcvax!ukc!inset!jr