Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!think!harvard!caip!cbmvax!andy From: andy@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Andy Finkel) Newsgroups: net.micro.atari16,net.mail Subject: Re: abuse of the net Message-ID: <273@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> Date: Wed, 21-May-86 11:17:24 EDT Article-I.D.: cbmvax.273 Posted: Wed May 21 11:17:24 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 23-May-86 02:46:02 EDT References: <779@hoptoad.uucp> <218@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> <2206@uwmacc.UUCP> Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) Distribution: na Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Lines: 66 Xref: mit-eddie net.micro.atari16:877 net.mail:1623 In article <2206@uwmacc.UUCP> oyster@uwmacc.UUCP (Vicarious Oyster) writes: >In article <218@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> andy@cbmvax.UUCP (Andy Finkel) writes: >>In article <779@hoptoad.uucp> gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) writes: >>>Sure, let's let {ucbvax,ihnp4,akgua,hplabs,sdcsvax} pay so this guy can >>>play with his Atari. After all, he can't afford it, but they >>>can. In fact, why not just post the entire contents of the BBS to >>>the net -- then *everybody* can pay for the phone time. >> >>Please! He didn't say he couldn't afford it; He said he didn't WISH >>to pay for the phone time. >> >>Somehow, that makes it worse. >> > Here's the good part... > < Flaming Portion Deleted > > - Joel ({allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!oyster) Well, I've already responded to the portion accusing Commodore of abusing the net and being a bad net.citizen by email. (and haven't heard anything back from Joel in response. (Basically, I just paraphrased George Robbins posting, pointing out that we feed news/mail around, and have to fight for our phone lines/charges like any other company, and that usenet was an own-time occupation for the engineers here) Now, to make it real clear WHY I wanted to respond to that initial message... It was the line "I don't WISH to pay". That was the trigger. I have nothing against sources for *any* machine being posted. I can almost always learn something from any source, even if I don't happen to use that machine. (that's why I don't like binaries, but that's something else). No, what I was commenting on was the *rather have someone else pay for something I want* attitude in that initial posting. The request wasn't *Please email/post because I can't afford them* or *Please email/post because I can't get them otherwise*, but *I'd rather have someone else pay* Whether the stuff is posted, or emailed makes no difference to my dislike of that attitude. (To the initial poster: sorry about all the fuss. I wasn't *really* attacking you personally :-) By the way, since you want to use the stuff for your work, why not see if your company/university/whatever will pick up your phone bill ? (assuming the stuff isn't posted, that is) andy finkel -- andy finkel Commodore(Amiga) {ihnp4|seismo|allegra}!cbmvax!andy or pyramid!amiga!andy Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share. I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors. "Remember, no matter where you grow, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonsai.